Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

On Tuesday morning when I left for work, my 70 gallon rubber maid trough was full. When I came home it was dislodged and empty with a large muddy area in front of it . Four of my horses must have had no water for a period of time ranging from minutes to 7 hours. My daughter’s horse has a penchant for playing in the trough, so I’m sure he’s the culprit. I have graduated from several smaller, less sturdy tubs in a effort to mitigate this, but sometimes he really likes to play in the water. I also have had loose horses in the last few months, one of my “old enough to know better” teenagers forgot to latch a door on a run-in shed. I was notified of this fact when four spooked TB’s galloped past my bedroom window at 5:30am. They were in full flight mode and were finally caught at a local farm stand, which is on a heavily traveled, two lane, yellow lined state road. I also have electric tape fence because my entire 7 acres is ledge so I can’t set fence posts deep enough to have board fence. I have six horses, two dogs and five cats. Based on my posts here on COTH, I am a hoarder, neglectful, have unsafe horse keeping practices, and don’t deserve to keep horses. None of which is true, but one could make that assumption based on facts, if one chose to.

In regards to PP’s situation, I’m sure the truth will come out, it always does…until then I’m certainly in no position to judge. I’m sure she’s suffering enough emotionally over all of this, I prefer not to add to someone else’s pain, deserved or not.

I am not sure I dare post anything requarding this thread at all but…if I were PP, they dam well better open courts at night.

Not a single horse there was of seizable condition or even close to it.

In Maine, not having a three sided shelter is cause for a cruelty charge and that is what PP was charged for. Loose dogs, give me a dam break.

A year long investigation, thats because it took them that long to find her gone long enough to get the horses. This is a personal issue with the neighbors.

Now PP, if you are reading this, AC has laws it must follow as well. The 12 hour posting is AGAINST THE LAW. They are required to post a 72 hour notice before considering an animal abandoned. And, if they found the animals without water, not food, water, they are supposed to water them in that 72 hour period. NOT FEED them.

Things may not be perfect at PP;s house, they may not be the standards we would choose, but…lets be realistic. There were not nearly enough grounds to seize those animals, just nasty neighbors. There is not a single experienced horse person on this board that could say those horses are thin, nor say they have gone two weeks without food or water. Notice how clean the dam feed bag was. Not bad for a mud pit. If those horses were hungry, that fence wouldnt hold them.
As well, for someone elses comment about a stallion being kept in such fencing. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm so why is it that there arent a lot of babies then???

There are two sides to this story I am sure. But one of them is obvious. And yes, I was an Animal Inspections Officer for 10 years. Had I left a herd of horses or any animals without water after posting property, then I in turn could be sited for cruelty.

2 cats were taken, did they leave the rest or…were there more??? Its not like this lady is a hoarder or something.

snkstacres, the laws in Maine may well be very different than those in Georgia. Just something to consider. I take no sides in this. I don’t have enough info.

[QUOTE=fivehorses;5155828]
In real life I hate it when people allude to something, but don’t come out and state it, and I find its no different here on an internet board.

Has PP sworn you to secrecy about her plans when she came back from weg to build a shelter, or get her fencing repaired???

I just cannot stand it when people say things like this. If there is something, anything that would defend PP, I’d love to hear it.

telling us there is more to the story is just jabberwacky.

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How about “It’s not her story to tell, and it’s none of our business”…
PP is not the one that started this 45 + page thread that raises questions. It’s also not her responsibility or anyone elses to satisfy our nosiness. And if I had a friend in her position, I would tell her to get a lawyer and not discuss ANYTHING publicly right now. Apparently the poster you quoted, who has talked to PP is a person she trusts to keep her confidences, and the trust is well deserved.

[QUOTE=Fairview Horse Center;5154162]
REALLY? I have spayed and/or neutered the cats here by the time they are 6 months old. However, we have a few wild kitties that know we have an open food bowl and show up regularly. So, would I have “no excuse” if one turns up pregnant? So far that has never happened, but I just noticed one I had not seen before last week. I think our cats go out into the field and hold up a sign for free meals and pointing the way. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

If you are feeding it you are giving it the energy to reproduce. Also in most cases if you are feeding it more than 3 days it is yours. I’ve trapped and spayed so many wild cats I can’t even count them all. It’s a lot easier to spay the first one then the next 8 or 14…

CS/AC4H must be so relieved his thread took the spotlight off of her.

You are right Sonesta, the laws are different in different states. IN GA, shelter can be trees. I am going by Maines law. 72 hour notice to determine abandonment. No date, no time posted on that notice. Maines law, not GA. I am not being snarky, just that I read for a long time before I posted a word. As a rescue, I cant afford bad publicity but even I can only stand so much. In matters of taste, swim with the current, in matters of principle, stand like a rock. PP has been done wrong. Not because she is a cother but because this is just wrong. If I ever pulled off a siezure like this, my ass would be down the road and I would fully expect to be charged with theft of livestock.

I am the biggest mouth when it comes to cruelty, but years of doing this very job has me stand back and take a look at the entire picture. This one has too many pieces missing and none of it in AC’s favor. Stuff in a field, electric fencing etc. etc does not make one cruel. Not having a three sided shelter does not make one cruel even if charged with animal cruelty. That my friends is for lack of knowing what else to call it. I wouldnt have a three sided shelter for a group of horses. They get each other up in corners. My run ins are two sided. Thank heavens I dont live in Maine…

But you know what, PP is not going to have the money to get her animals back anyhow. And so, the problem is now taken care of. The neighbors will no longer have to deal with the animals and AC will no longer have to deal with the neighbors. On top of it all, AC will get some donations for there good work, some exposure and the horses will go stand in a pretty fence.

AC forgot to take ALL the animals. And that alone makes there siezure illegal.

Us animal activists arent always right. Proud to admit when I am wrong and learn from it.

[QUOTE=summerhorse;5156413]
If you are feeding it you are giving it the energy to reproduce. Also in most cases if you are feeding it more than 3 days it is yours. I’ve trapped and spayed so many wild cats I can’t even count them all. It’s a lot easier to spay the first one then the next 8 or 14…[/QUOTE]

It sounds like you’re suggesting the FW is responsible for fixing any kitty that comes along for the buffet - Rather strange and inappropriate. Why don’t you apply your logic to all the other wrong on the world - if you see it, you’re responsible for it. :rolleyes:

hahahah and that is the law here in GA too. IF you feed it for 72 hours, you own it. Yet, if you get a stray, its a two week waiting period to have it picked up, you cant take it to the shelter on your own and so…you are in fact surrendering your own animal, or you have to let it starve. You cant even get an ad in the paper here in 72 hours. hahah they need 4 days notice for a paper that comes out once a week so…if it shows up at your place, heck with the 72 hour law, its YOURS.

[QUOTE=snkstacres;5156464]
hahahah and that is the law here in GA too. IF you feed it for 72 hours, you own it. .[/QUOTE]

Tennessee also…run them off or you got yourself a new pet…

Tamara in TN

[QUOTE=snkstacres;5156464]
hahahah and that is the law here in GA too. IF you feed it for 72 hours, you own it. Yet, if you get a stray, its a two week waiting period to have it picked up, you cant take it to the shelter on your own and so…you are in fact surrendering your own animal, or you have to let it starve. You cant even get an ad in the paper here in 72 hours. hahah they need 4 days notice for a paper that comes out once a week so…if it shows up at your place, heck with the 72 hour law, its YOURS.[/QUOTE]

That is maniacal!! How ever did they write such a crazy law!!??

I still say, just because an animal sneaks in for a bite, it is not your responsibility - how can you prevent a rat from eating cat food?? Do you own the rats too??

People have been smoking way too much of the good stuff and writing things that belong in Alice in Wonderland, not law books!:eek:

Sunkissed I hope you are right and also hope that you are wrong.

Thinking about when in the past I watched Animal Cops. Seems I remember it being said that if one animal on the property is in bad shape - all the animals on the property must be seized.

I also recall seeing the AC’s feed and water dogs. Horses?

Whatever happened in PP’s case it’s hard for me to imagine her not getting her animals back. There’s got to be a devil in the detail somewhere.

Oh, the devil is in this for SURE! Nothing else can explain the manipulation and insanity that has gone into THIS seizure!:eek:

Dear Snark Acres ~

So Who the f*ck died and made you the poster that “said it all PLUS a fudge brownie”??
You think you are the “be-all, end-all” to PP’s plight?? (uh-…YAH! look up the word ‘plight’)

You can’t even be bothered to get your spelling, much less grammar correct: (It’s THEIR, not “there”).
And BTW - apostrophes are not “optional”, when using a contraction.

This thread has too many idiots posting already; really ~ don’t jump in into the fool-pool. :rolleyes:

:no:

if you put food out and you know the strays are eating it you are taking the very good chance of being responsible for them…cats,dogs and the like…wild animals don’t count but strays are not “wild”

so fer instance…if you are known to feed a stray dog and he bites someone they can very easily put that on you as the “owner”…very easily

Tamara in TN

How do owners of outside pets ever feed them without becoming the owner of every stray in the neighborhood???!!!:eek:

[QUOTE=horselips;5156488]
Dear Snark Acres ~

So Who the f*ck died and made you the poster that “said it all PLUS a fudge brownie”??
You think you are the “be-all, end-all” to PP’s plight?? (uh-…YAH! look up the word ‘plight’)

You can’t even be bothered to get your spelling, much less grammar correct: (It’s THEIR, not “there”).
And BTW - apostrophes are not “optional”, when using a contraction.

This thread has too many idiots posting already; really ~ don’t jump in into the fool-pool. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Really??

[QUOTE=Eye in the Sky;5156509]
How do owners of outside pets ever feed them without becoming the owner of every stray in the neighborhood???!!!:eek:[/QUOTE]

.223’s with Leupold scopes mostly.

Tamara in TN

[quote=horselips;5156488]Dear Snark Acres ~

So Who the f*ck died and made you the poster that “said it all PLUS a fudge brownie”?? and more drivel I’m not going to repeat
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Who may I ask are YOU, horselips? And you get to control who posts because…?