Forgot to add…
Imagine, if like a poster a few pages back said, the story really is that they got loose again. This would be a whole different scenario if they got hit by a car instead of put in a round pen. PP could have come back to the death of her horses, maybe a driver and I’d think with a history of loose horses, a whole lot of trouble.
Well I for one have trouble believing that the place was without electricity, though I realize that was only a small aside in your post. Maybe I am too naive. Not having electricity SERVICE could so easily be translated into not having electricity – but a generator running on propane could supply electricity, couldn’t it?
To answer your question though – I think it is likely that no entity involved here, including PP, is totally right or wrong. Under current guidelines, rules, etc. AND with the way everything else in this sad situation aligned, there might NOT have been anything AC could’ve done differently.
SCFarm I think most of your (valid) concerns were addressed multiple times in this thread, resulting in in the general consensus that the story on each of these issues in not entirely clear yet.
Mod 1, your tactful, well timed handling of this thread has redeemed my faith in Coth forums - along with our effective moderators, I’ve decided there are still plenty of voices of logic & reason to make me do away with any thought of abandoning this group over the fewer emotional, knee-jerk type responses!
Overall I still think Cother’s rock, and I believe we’ll make it through this latest trial wiser, more experienced, and still united in our love of horses & animals and willingness to do our best by them!
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Imagine how different this whole story would be if the neighbors had spent a couple of hours and helped her fix her fencing or maybe helped her when she was struggling instead of calling AC?[/QUOTE]:eek::rolleyes::uhoh:
I couldn’t find a gormless smiley with dribble !
But what planet are you on!!!
So on your planet here’s how it presumably works for Jean Marie Ahearn’s neighbours:
You’ve to put up with her being next to you in a road side property with a shed load of horses… but no shed and no fencing! Not even at the road side!
You’ve to put up with them out loose on the road and in your garden.
You’ve to go chasing and catching them and trying to herd them in to keep them safe and to prevent accident and damage.
You can if you go to COTH read all about your neighbours shopping expeditions and fancy trips to fancy events. (presuming you’re not too busy chasing her horses)
You can also read about how she’s skint and struggling to manage.
You can read some more about her shopping habits.
You can read about her new dogs, cats, free horses, new saddles.
You can read about her trying to breed 3 mares.
You can see the photo of her new born foal in a tent!
You can look out your window and see that old tent frame next to the heap of crap piled outside.
You can see for yourself that she’s got no shelter and you know she’s supposed to get one.
You can see Animal Control coming and going but nothing happening to change things.
You can read her postings about how she understands she’s annoying the neighbours and isn’t surprised.
You can read how she still can’t afford a fence and a shelter or even hay!
You can read more about shopping and fancy trips!
You can worry about winter coming on and still no shelter and still no fencing.
You can read about her fancy saddle habit and her bidding and purchasing of not one… but two!
You can wonder where the heck she’s gone because no one is about and the horses are out yet again.
You can read how she’s taking unpaid time off work to indulge her hobby/habit
or you can phone animal control or build her a fence?
I know what I’d be doing and I wouldn’t be needing a hammer and nails!
She clearly didn’t bother to fix her fence so why the heck should her neighbour be bothered to do it for her!!!
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SCFarm I think most of your (valid) concerns were addressed multiple times in this thread, resulting in in the general consensus that the story on each of these issues in not entirely clear yet.
Mod 1, your tactful, well timed handling of this thread has redeemed my faith in Coth forums - along with our effective moderators, I’ve decided there are still plenty of voices of logic & reason to make me do away with any thought of abandoning this group over the fewer emotional, knee-jerk type responses!
Overall I still think Cother’s rock, and I believe we’ll make it through this latest trial wiser, more experienced, and still united in our love of horses & animals and willingness to do our best by them![/QUOTE]
Thank you!
The Moderators are exceptional.
How do we know?
Because we don’t hardly have to see them, they have a touch that prevents, don’t have to come mop up regularly.
I was a moderator on a very busy dog training forum ages ago and I can say, it is very, very hard to get it right and do so consistently.
My hat is off to them.:yes:
Sure, some posters don’t like this or that, but no one can say the Moderators are not but stellar in their moderating, even on this thread.
Solomon would be puzzled how to handle this prickly porcupine of a situation.
As those under 40 tend to say today, Moderators Rock!
I am very concerned at the number of people who seem to feel that the neighbors in this situation had ANY RESPONSIBILITY for the animals AT ALL.
It concerns me because it isn’t just one person taking that stance.
Most people are NOT horse people. They are in no way, shape or form obligated to care for the livestock of others. It is reprehensible to me that some feel the non-owners have an ethical responsibility toward the animals.
You own 'em…YOU OWN 'EM. Handouts and help might be nice, but you absolutely can not honestly expect innocent bystanders to step in and repair someone else’s property! Some of you absolutely foam at the mouth if a neighbor (or child in a pasture) interferes with your animals…but then you turn around and EXPECT neighbors to pitch in with horsekeeping? =:eek:
Touche.
Is there a more recent update to this story? Or rather a happy ending to this situation? I read quite a bit of this thread in the beginning and only a few of the more recent posts but I admit to not reading the entire thread, since a lot of it was duplicate opinions and view points.
I do realize that if there is still indeed an active investigation that not much can be said but I was curious how things are turning out for the animals as well as PP? I don’t want to know how everyone feels about the situation but would like to know how this is turning out…
I understand, jurisdictionally, that laws on seizures vary from state to state. Won’t AC in her area try to work with her to clean up her place, bring it up to whatever standards they require, so she can her horses back? Or is it because she’s been cited several times to provide the proper environment for the horses and hasn’t done so. Is this why she won’t get them back? Sorta like “three strikes and you’re out?” 
I would think with rescues overflowing with horses that every attempt would be made to return ANY animals to owners if the situation could be rectified?
You guys are right; it’s not the neighbor’s responsibility and especially not if they’re non horsey. If it’s true that the horses were out again and they called AC, AC should have come out then and there instead of instructing the non horsey neighbors to herd the horses into round pens.
It’s my choice to keep an eye on my nightmare neighbors’ horses. They have moved out but left the horses.
Best choice is to make friends with neighbors if you can and leave them with the horse sitter’s number and vice versa. I have two other great neighbors that will walk down the trail to double check that everyone’s being taken care of while I’m away.
In VA, AC has 5 days from the date of seizure to write the charge but ME may be different. I wish PP had asked for fencing help before, either from a student or friend or even a nearby Cother. No farm is maintained completely by one person; too many chores and projects take two or more people. There is no shame in admitting that and seeking assistance.
onelove…do a thread search on this thread for posts by AppJumpr08 for updates.
There aren’t many understandably due to the ongoing legal issue and I’m sure PP’s wish for some privacy. But I think that’s the person most in touch with PP and is giving whatever updates there are so far.
If this case is completely unfounded as those “in the know” seem to believe, then there’s no reason she wouldn’t get her animals back at no charge.
I am operating under CA law, but here if animals are seized and the case dismissed, charges not filed, or fines not levied, then the shelter cannot charge any reclaim or restitution fees. The only reason she would need to pay to get her animals back is if there was truth to the charges and the judge and/or hearing officer agrees. Has she had her hearing yet?
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Has she had her hearing yet?[/QUOTE]
She has not.
[QUOTE=BLBGP;5157439]
If this case is completely unfounded as those “in the know” seem to believe, then there’s no reason she wouldn’t get her animals back at no charge.
I am operating under CA law, but here if animals are seized and the case dismissed, charges not filed, or fines not levied, then the shelter cannot charge any reclaim or restitution fees. The only reason she would need to pay to get her animals back is if there was truth to the charges and the judge and/or hearing officer agrees. Has she had her hearing yet?[/QUOTE]
Well, that may take a good deal of money for a lawyer to prove.
Perhaps she could ask the neighbours for a donation?
Or maybe she’d get it from folks here.
Thomas, just because you get to keep horses on your lawyer wife’s dime doesn’t mean everyone married cash for their hobby.
Asking a friend for 2 hours of help putting up some fencing isn’t the same as asking for donations. I don’t believe PP’s asked anyway.
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Thomas, just because you get to keep horses on your lawyer wife’s dime doesn’t mean everyone married cash for their hobby.
Asking a friend for 2 hours of help putting up some fencing isn’t the same as asking for donations. I don’t believe PP’s asked anyway.[/QUOTE]
Plenty here like to hit below the belt, but few that low.
Maybe consider editing that?
[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;5157485]
Thomas, just because you get to keep horses on your lawyer wife’s dime doesn’t mean everyone married cash for their hobby.
Asking a friend for 2 hours of help putting up some fencing isn’t the same as asking for donations. I don’t believe PP’s asked anyway.[/QUOTE]
Good GRIEF! if I am not mistaken Thomas is a pretty reknowned driving horse trainer, I suspect he pulls in a pretty hefty income of his own! I agree with his viewpoints on this situation.
A legend in his own mind, according to many worldwide.
^ who cares anyway if the lawyer wife pays all the bills? Every second horse lady you meet in any barn is being supported by a “DH” or “hubby” :rolleyes:
IF THAT idea bothers you, the horse world is NOT for you.
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