Agree with you Alice…:yes:
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The animals weren’t seized by the town - they were seized by the state. So unfortunately that puts the cost factor into a whole different bracket than it would if it were a town seizure.[/QUOTE]
Wow - the state of Maine does its own animal control?
In SC it would be a Tort Claims Act case either way, since a lawsuit against any government entity falls thereunder, and no more expensive. But I’m not disputing you - I don’t have all the facts, and I appreciate that you would not want to post the facts of the case here.
In my case, the town actually used a private entity to perform seizures and its defense was that since they didn’t do it, they weren’t liable. Of course, we countered that the private entity was operating with the apparent authority of a government agent. I think that’s the more usual practice. I’m surprised to learn the state of Maine performs animal control directly.
Are we sure SIB is not horselips and sayitisntso? I didn’t think SIB could post here any longer, so her name would be different now…
it’s not her, thanks to MOD 1 for clearing it up!
Where did you see the posts that definitively stated there was a sitter, or that the sitter had any interaction with the ACO? Did I miss those posts, or is it supposition?
I thought the claim was that the neighbors put the loose horses in the muddy pen with no water. Has it been definitely stated the horses started out in a different pasture situation?
Just trying to keep up.
I don’t know what happened there, nor do most of us.
I will say at my place, I have a big pasture with good fencing, water, a run-in shed, and tons of grass. I also have a couple of much smaller fenced areas for my dog. If somebody caught a loose horse and put it in one of my dog paddocks, and animal control stopped by, I would expect them to think something was amiss.
So I’m still reserving judgment at this point and hoping everything works out for the best.
ITA the moderators are going above and beyond riding herd on this thread.
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Wow - the state of Maine does its own animal control?
In my case, the town actually used a private entity to perform seizures and its defense was that since they didn’t do it, they weren’t liable. Of course, we countered that the private entity was operating with the apparent authority of a government agent. I think that’s the more usual practice. I’m surprised to learn the state of Maine performs animal control directly.[/QUOTE]
A snippet from the Dept. of Ag’s website:
What is the difference between a State Humane Agent and an Animal Control Officer?
A State Humane Agent is employed by the State of Maine. As a state employee a State Humane Agent’s primary responsibility is to enforce the animal cruelty statues in Title 7 and Title 17. Animal Control Officers are employed by a municipality and are not state employees. The ACO’s primary responsibility is to enforce the municipal animal control duties in Title 7 and Title 17.
What jurisdiction does the Animal Welfare Program have over animal control officers?
The Animal Welfare Program is responsible to provide basic training and certification to animal control officers. The Animal Welfare Program does not participate in the hiring of or personnel issues concerning ACO’s. The employing town is responsible for the performance of the animal control officer.
That’s how it works up here… the ACOs take the everyday complaints for their towns, but involve the AWP once things get beyond the average loose dog calls.
Then the state takes over, and the state does the actual seizures, if and when they occur.
[quote=equineartworks;5157127]Imagine how different this whole story would be if the neighbors had spent a couple of hours and helped her fix her fencing or maybe helped her when she was struggling instead of calling AC?
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Okay, I still don’t get this… WHY in the world is it the NEIGHBOR’S responsibility??? Good God!
Sue the neighbors??? For what???
Why the %&*($^ is it their fault???
Read one of the news clips, according the the neighbors, pp was a recluse, often refusing to open the door when the neighbors brought over a UPS package.
It’s called personal responsibility people!!!
You’d all be bitching if the horses died and the neighbors didn’t call AC!!!
WTF???
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Read one of the news clips, according the the neighbors, pp was a recluse, often refusing to open the door when the neighbors brought over a UPS package.[/QUOTE]
JFI, from PPs posts, she worked nights, slept days. That may be why she didn’t tend to answer the door in the day time. :winkgrin:
Thank you Thomas!!:yes:
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That’s how it works up here… the ACOs take the everyday complaints for their towns, but involve the AWP once things get beyond the average loose dog calls.
Then the state takes over, and the state does the actual seizures, if and when they occur.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting that. Always interesting to see how other states do things.
Sorry, didn’t realize that…
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Okay, I still don’t get this… WHY in the world is it the NEIGHBOR’S responsibility??? Good God!
Sue the neighbors??? For what???
Why the %&*($^ is it their fault???
Read one of the news clips, according the the neighbors, pp was a recluse, often refusing to open the door when the neighbors brought over a UPS package.
It’s called personal responsibility people!!!
You’d all be bitching if the horses died and the neighbors didn’t call AC!!!
WTF???[/QUOTE]
So…answer me this. Why does it frost your muffins that she doesn’t answer her door?
hmm… I guess I better make sure that I grab my walker and hobble to the door to get every UPS package! My neighbors might call animal control! :lol:
I’m a little irritated that the neighbors who couldn’t be bothered to pick up a hose and fill a trough were more than happy to trespass to get on TV.
I find it funny that not answering a door makes someone a recluse… I have a friend who does medical transcription and does not answer her door most of the time. She wears headphones while transcribing, and for one can not hear the door bell…
I find it funny that somehow everything and the kitchen sink somehow needs to be thrown into the mix.
neighbors say A/ she was never home B, she was a recluse - so… which was it?
and if her animals are cared for either way - whose gd business is it anyhow?
After wading through this thread, I still don’t see any information thats relevant to the situation beyond the first few posts and media releases. The rest is just moronic drivel , assumptions, dreamt up scenarios, I’m better then you because… ad nauseum…take your pick.
Grow up people, seriously.
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Well, you can take a number behind the USDA, sister.
In the beginning of the 20th century, they started a guinea pig colony for the purposes of understanding the physiology of inbreeding in terms of Mendelian genetics. Experiments went on for 15 years and included some 60,000 animals, IIRC. Sewall Wright, who became the most important theorist of evolution of the last century, got his start on some of these problems working with the USDA guinea pigs.
Your grandpappy’s tax dollars at work… supporting the US government’s “hoarding” in the name of science. Where would be without many cheap, quickly reproducing little animals?[/QUOTE]
You lost me. Neither my Grandpappy or me have ever bred guinea pigs and all my pets in the last 20 years, except for the fish, have been spayed or neutered.
Maybe you’re trying to say that I’m like the USDA in waiting for the GPs to die off? Well yeah, but I can pretty much bet mine aren’t living in those conditions so they’ll probably be around a long time. BTW, Guinea Pig vets aren’t exactly cheap, nor is their day to day requirements. 
Which brings me back on topic… Every single animal is a financial risk and you need to know when to say when, unless you’re prepared to follow through with all aspects of their care. A big part of it would be providing safety and PP’s fencing and shelter, whether she’s at home or away, doesn’t show much concern for that. Different standards and trust funds aside, how could you sleep at night, much less go out of town for two weeks, knowing your horses could get on the road at any moment?
Wait! Were you going for a conspiracy theory and suggesting PP’s horses were confiscated for some type of government funded science experiment? That adds a whole other element I didn’t consider. :eek:
I think you are over reacting. It certainly does not frost my muffins.
Someone questioned why the neighbors didn’t lend a hand. According the the news report, she was described as a recluse.
How can one give a hand, when someone gives the impression they don’t want help?
Yes, lets blame the neighbors, again…:rolleyes:
Are you certain that a hose was in open view of the neighbors? :sigh:
Are we sure the neighbors are not the ones that agreed to check on the horses?
Maybe some of you live in the city or are on city water. In the country, most of us get our water from wells. Sunk in the well is a well pump. The pump pumps water from the well into pipes that run to the house, barn, outside spigots, wherever. The well pump runs on electricity. Without electricity, the pump does not pump and there is no water.
The first article said PP hadn’t had public electric service in a year. Without an operating (fueled) generator, there would be no water in the hose if the neighbor did pick it up to fill the tank.
