Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

[fivehorses]

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;5163242]
And you didn’t open the hot tub for them??? :lol: :winkgrin:

fivehorses…nope, I don’t have anyone on ignore. I didn’t remember reading…after this many posts in a short time things are kind of all blending together or getting forgotten.

And yep, I agree with you on the state or town liability for loose horses. :yes:[/QUOTE]
Agreed.

What I don’t get is why people don’t seem to get 4 very important factors.

1. animals appeared abandoned, and the animals did not have water or hay,
   2.fencing was inadequate and reports had been filed of loose horses repeatedly in the past,
2. there was no shelter, hasn’t been shelter, even though aco has been monitoring the situation
3. State and aco had to act…they were involved once they visited the farm and assessed the situation. If they ignored this, they would be legally liable. The fact they left them there for 12 hours was giving benefit of the doubt and extending another opportunity to PP, but exposed them legally.

[CosMonster]

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;5163142]
…
Also agree with who ever said that fence out states are definitely different. And not weird from the non-livestock owner who has to fence out cattle or horses…but weird that if I were a livestock owner there I’d be freaked out if they weren’t fenced in. Who knows where the heck they’d end up? I’m sure it works fine and is normal for those who live there but as someone from a fence in state the idea of not having fencing just seems to very odd.

…(and where were her nearby friends then? It was in black and white on this BB many times for over 2 years now. It was never a hidden fact)…[/QUOTE]

:lol: It is really different. I couldn’t really imagine not keeping my own horses fenced in but I still think it’s kind of funny to hear everyone speculating about a driver suing the city if they hit loose horses or even having citations/seizures of loose horses…I’ve known a couple of people who have hit livestock and in one case the passenger was even killed and the response has always been, “Shouldn’t have been driving so fast down those rural roads!” (of course with a bit more sympathy than that, but you get the idea). Funny how different various areas of the same country can be.

As for the second point I left in the quote, I would hazard a guess that many of them didn’t see those posts or only saw them sporadically enough that they didn’t put them together. I was familiar with PP and I’m pretty sure I even read a few of those questionable posts others have quoted (some look familiar once I saw them) but I never would have paid enough attention to put it together, and still didn’t remember it until people started quoting. Of course I’m only speaking for myself, but that’s my guess.

[Luckydonkey]

Has PP been officially charged for this particular incident yet?

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;5162150]
Well, considering I did not defend here husbandry, where does that leave your reading comprehention?

I do believe I pointed out some of the inconsistencies i the original story, not to mention some conclusions being jumped on that had no substance in fact - not as far as the news story and popular knowledge goes.

Assumptions…
and after all of that I go out of town and return to see this quagmire still under full steam with hardly any new developments - actually non.

Considering how things are, I don’t think it is fair to roast PP on the bonfire of public opinion - not just yet.

However, even with her history with AC and her neighbors (or maybe because of it) a few things just rub me the wrong way and those are primarily with
precedure of the whole thing. They.just.don’t.add.up.[/QUOTE]

fact is she written her self on here that her horses have esacaped at least twelve times

fact is that it was january 2010 that her shelter collapse

fact is its still collapsed asit had a plastic roof not a canvas one makes no difference really
fact is via her own photos and photos of the press the shelter
its been on the floor and then left so its just a frame as in llooking like a pile of junk and just sitting there

if she truely loved her horses
then shes had all spring and all summer to prepare for the winter season
with a new shelter or made good her old one but made it sturdy and brought some chesnut fence post which are not dear as they they cheapest ones you can buy, and shove it into the ground and palced it in a corner of the yard whereby she could have made use of a more substancial area, so had a more solid shelter and a better roof
shes had 10 months to do that- but hasnt thats fact

fact is via her own admission her horses have been escaping since 2008
fact is she know to ac for the amount of times they keep escaping
fact is her horses have been escaping since we know of since 04 2008
fact is she been done for that and told to do something

fact is its 2010 and she went away to weg and not done nothing neddies get out and shes not there

factac probably got pissed of witht he amount of complaints
and she knows that herself as she admits on here
her horses keep escaping -

fact is she hasnt done anything to resolve the escaping horses since 2008

[MoonoverMississippi]

[QUOTE=Bogey2;5163011]
it’s doing the friend thing and helping her rather than piling on like a lot of people here who are just too happy to show their superiority.;)[/QUOTE]

It’s just a shame her true friends couldn’t have suggested she upgrade her fencing and other rather important things, and/or possibly helped her do so. True friends have to occasionally take the bull by the horns and start what might not be a easy conversation to help their friends take off the rose-coloured glasses and do what is right (i.e. fix substandard fencing). That, IMHO, is the hallmark of a true friend, one who doesn’t shy away from things that would truly help someone you consider a good friend.

One can support and help a friend without throwing on the blinders themselves or just make excuses for them.

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=MoonoverMississippi;5163340]
It’s just a shame her true friends couldn’t have suggested she upgrade her fencing and other rather important things, and/or possibly helped her do so. True friends have to occasionally take the bull by the horns and start what might not be a easy conversation to help their friends take off the rose-coloured glasses and do what is right (i.e. fix substandard fencing). That, IMHO, is the hallmark of a true friend, one who doesn’t shy away from things that would truly help someone you consider a good friend.

One can support and help a friend without throwing on the blinders themselves or just make excuses for them.[/QUOTE]

true freinds would tell her to stop breeding and reduce her herd
which would have saved her money so she could afford one horse or maybe 2
and then afford decent fencing and shelter

true freinds would also helped her, but as there always is one

did they already- and she knows best and caught that old bus off

i know iknow what iam doing keep your nose out

listening is one of the few skills people havent got
as its a people skill- of life

like some have common sense some dont

and like i said before one miskate is a mistake
but to allow your horses to get out as many times as pp has thats not a mistake thats down right irresponsible

and as she/he live on top of a road then thats at least 12 times
she has put other people in danger on the roads

and the people that defending her think shes ok yeha she maybe

but it could be you thats killed next time her horses are out
or a member of your family what say you then

what say you if like i said before you didnt know her

your opnions would change as when you would all say down right irresponsible
and unfair on the neddies to

some of you say like said before the neighbour gleeful

well sorry but so would i be- if the hroses have got out and proven to be out by facts of the pp and the ac as it is then yeah
i would be knowing that they are safe and other people are safe

pp is high risk on the agenda and thats pretty obvious she shouldnt have horses
if she cant be bothered to keep them contian fed watered or to provide a shelter

[CFFarm]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;5163210]
Interesting how the same post can evoke such vastly different replies…[/QUOTE]

Two horsemen=3 opinions.

Carry on.

[Bogey2]

moonovermiss, you assume a lot as do others here. Carry on.

[Kementari]

[QUOTE=fivehorses;5163190]
You are way oversensationalizing and making huge assumptions.[/QUOTE]

Dear God - and the rest of you AREN’T?

I respect that Lori, who happens to be a professional in the field, is willing to put herself out there to defend someone she feels has been treated wrongly. The world could use a whole heck of a lot more people like that. It’s pretty damn easy to join the gang of bullies - especially if you are in a business that needs in public support - and much harder to have the courage of your convictions and speak out against the mob. I’ve always admired Lori and her work, but now I admire her even more.

And you know what? Maybe she’s wrong. It seems to
me that none of us have enough info to know that for certain one way or the other, and in the end SOMEONE will be wrong. But at least, right or wrong, she actually CARED about another human being rather than hoisting a pitchfork and torch.

I’ve always thought the whole ignore list thing was a poor way of handling public discourse, and merely made it so a person didn’t ever have to consider opposing opinions. This thread, for the first time since we switched to the new format and GOT the option, has made me rethink that opinion. I’m starting to think
that some people are just too nasty to have the privilege of even being a PART of the public discourse. :no:

[Nojacketrequired]

I understand that the subject of this thread has her ardent supporters and that’s great - loyalty is a good thing. However, if they would just say that gee, perhaps there are some issues that PP needs to address to ensure the safety and health of her horses, then I would guess this thread would die away.

Tried that.

No one paid any attention because how much fun would THAT be, when you can just bash and assume the worst for the next million pages?

Carry on.

NJR

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

I haven’t chimed in on this thread for many, many pages (except to clear up some suspicions of some alter or another), but I am interested to know:

To those of you “in the know” (in communication with anyone involved in this case in real life, ie: PP or Maine AC), has there been a hearing date set?

Please keep in mind that if this is the case, it is a matter of public record, and anyone finding themselves on either side of the issue is welcome to attend.

[BasqueMom]

Wow, Lori with a decade of experience as an ACO before starting her rescue
takes the time to look up the Maine laws and expresses her opinion the seizure may have gone above and beyond the state’s laws without condoning or condemning PP’s horsekeeping. Now, according to Fivehorses, Lori is no longer reputable as a rescue–gimme me a break!

Lori also knows that a “seizure” vs impoundment will prevent PP from owning animals again, be it a horse, a dog, a cat, a hamster or even a goldfish.

Had the horses been 1-2 on the body scale, perhaps none of us would be stepping back from picking up the pitchfork until we know more. Who knows?

[Stormgsd]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;5148480]
I still want to know why those horses aren’t in worse condition if they have been without food and water for two weeks.

Anyone care to respond?[/QUOTE]

Somebody said it had rained a lot which is why the horses were so very very muddy so they were drinking rainwater which isn’t ideal watering situation. The neighbors had been giving some food as well.

[mg]

[QUOTE=CosMonster;5163298]
:lol: It is really different. I couldn’t really imagine not keeping my own horses fenced in but I still think it’s kind of funny to hear everyone speculating about a driver suing the city if they hit loose horses or even having citations/seizures of loose horses…I’ve known a couple of people who have hit livestock and in one case the passenger was even killed and the response has always been, “Shouldn’t have been driving so fast down those rural roads!” (of course with a bit more sympathy than that, but you get the idea). Funny how different various areas of the same country can be.[/QUOTE]

It is weird how it varies. There was a car accident on the road right by our barn (wife rear ended her husband, both obviously speeding) that the drivers blamed on my father’s chickens for being in the road. My father asked why they didn’t just run over them. I mean, they’re just Bantams, not turkeys. The police officer told my father to put his chickens on leashes. I kid you not. This happened in Maine, albiet not in an area as boondock as PP.

I’m a little confused about why so many people are saying this is about loose horses. I thought AC was called this time because the neighbors reported the horses had been abandoned without food or water? I admit, I stopped reading all the posts around page 30-something and skipped ahead, so I might have missed something. It seems like a lot of different stories are getting mushed together though.

[moonlightride]

You guys know that non horsey people, media like to have horse people bicker over everything. There’s already tons of non horsey folks calling out the animal departments in suburbia trying to get rid of all the horses because of the smell, etc.
Instead of horse folks helping each other out we have wars about every neglect issue/riding/facilities on fugly, here, and pretty much every forum. You guys all know that BAD MEDIA ATTENTION is going to impact most of you not in the country at some point? It’s not a good thing to have horse folks in the news because the general public then sees, animal abuse, animal abuse, and that sheds a bad light on the horse industry.

[Ghazzu]

@BasqueMom;5163517

Had the horses been 1-2 on the body scale, perhaps none of us would be stepping back from picking up the pitchfork until we know more. Who knows?

Had the horses been a BCS of 1-2, people would have been ripping animal control a new one for foot dragging.

[JanM]

MG-how did that fool mean you were supposed to leash a chicken? With a harness or a collar? I can just see your dad ‘walking’ the flock just like the New York City dog walkers do.

[BaroquePony]

how did that fool mean you were supposed to leash a chicken? With a harness or a collar?

Sheesss… put your thinking cap on! With a harness. A collar would just slide off :lol:

Joking …

Really, a little tiny halter might be nice :yes:

[Alagirl]

@BaroquePony;5163613

Sheesss… put your thinking cap on! With a harness. A collar would just slide off :lol:

Joking …

Really, a little tiny halter might be nice :yes:

They make harnesses for birds…but they are a bit on the pricy side…
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2751020

[shea_smom]

I greatly respect Lori and the work she does. Fivehorses, I think you went too far to criticize her. I don’t see why we can’t have a rational discussion without some of this childish attitude.