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Got to say that I am personally saddened that you find the need to seek to excuse PP and to challenge the actions of the authorities who took the decision that it was in the animals’ best interests to have them removed.
I would sincerely hope that if there was suspected abandonment that all animals on the premises would be taken into possession.
Why? What information do you have over and above what has been published as public information.
My understanding from the news reports is that they were loose and they were herded up and put in the pen to keep them safe from immediate danger and then the notice was posted to check if there was someone attending and to ask them to immediately phone AC when they saw the notice. The notice I saw looked like it had a 24 hour initial period and then amended to 12 hours. Nothing wrong with that!
Clearly AC didn’t get a call within the time period and so were entitled to believe there was no one in attendance. I believe that someone who has been in contact with PP said she didn’t even know the animals had been taken until considerably later. So clearly there was no one there to either ring AC or to tell her her horses had gone
No it doesn’t! It only means that IF and WHEN it goes to trial and there’s a conviction and the sentence determines she’s not a suitable owner for the future.
clearly if the legal system determines that she’s had her chance and despite that she’s not a suitable owner now or any time in the future then it would be absurd and illogical to put the animals back there.
How do you know they’re not working with her ? Are you speaking to her? To them?
I don’t know IF charges are to be brought. I don’t know WHAT charges are to be brought.
Do you? Or is this conjecture and hypothesis?
What I do know is that prior to charges being brought the case will be reviewed by prosecutors and they will determine what is appropriate in terms of securing a successful prosecution. If the evidence is there then the case will move forward and it will be what it will be.
Look again. There were 2 thin horses in the video. Not starved to death. But thin. But dying of starvation isn’t the issue is it?
That’s just the tip of the iceberg! The issue here is that she’s left her horses without adequate fencing and without adequate supervision. They’re loose and at risk and seemingly abandoned when she’s having fun at the World Equestrian Games.
Because there’s no one there to look after the animals! No owner. No pet sitter. No one surfaced despite the posting of formal AC notice.
How do you know any of that? Are you saying there’s no democratic fair legal system and no due process in the USA?
What the heck have you said that for. It’s not relevant. It’s not the same. PP doesn’t have fencing. She’s got a saggy single line of white tape with no electricity in.
I’m not assuming this, I saw it on the video and I’ve read for years about her fencing and escaping dilemmas!
She doesn’t have a leaky roof. She doesn’t even have a roof. Or a shelter!
And you're proud of that? Or you seek to justify that two wrongs DO make a right!
I’m sincerely regretting sending you money now! I never had myself down as a sucker!
She’s hoisted by her own petard.
She’s had fence issues a long time and the following are her own words:
There are at least 7 more mentions of horses getting loose (new instances and not repeat ones) and a bunch more posts about her fences being destroyed, broken, ruined, not working, old, frayed, not enough ground rods in, cheap solar charger not working, extension cords to plug in charger not working, etc etc etc.
So she’s had serious fencing issues, broken fencing, non working fencing and admitted escapees on numerous occasions for substantial time. But plenty of shopping in all that time! And not for cheap stuff either. And unpaid time off and a flight to WEG and immediately after 2 new saddles purchased.
I’m not particularly concerned if things weren’t precisely by the book or if AC acted a little quickly. They evidently were there for a reason and even according to PP’s own account she was struggling to keep her horses properly contained and properly fed and properly sheltered from inclement weather.
Yet she’s shopping for saddles, giving it the big talk and getting in loaned mares and breeding more of the blighters! She’s already got a conviction for cruelty and each and everyone of us knows darned well that just doesn’t happen the first and only time that “stuff happens”.
So they might have acted a day too soon this time. I’d personally rather that though than a day too late. They might have taken them before they were freezing cold and had no hay and frozen water and were skating about on ice but again that doesn’t concern me. They might have taken them from behind some shabby bent gate tied to a cable drum and some saggy fence tape rather than scraped them off the front of a truck but again doesn’t worry me. They may even have already gelded the stallion but I’m not thinking that’s a huge detriment to either the horse itself or the world of horsedom! They might even be trying to rehome the whole lot to somewhere that prefers horse care and management over shopping.
I have confidence though that America is not some backwater without fair judicial system and no right to be heard. I’m darned if I can believe in a civilised democracy that this is all just a huge conspiracy to get PP![/QUOTE]
thank you Thomas for responding to the issues I thought Sunkist acres was overreacting to and not at all accurate.
Reading her post, it sounds like we are living in a dictorial state, where the gov’t does what it wants, and the people have no civil liberties.
Sunkist acres, you are really off base and I hope you also understand that there are people out there who might read this, and think, oh. she runs a rescue so must know what she is talking about. I would never give you or your rescue a dime after what I see you are defending and your opinion on this matter.
I have lost all respect.
