Saddle or bareback pad to teach little kids? Wide pony!

I’m in need of some advice. I have twin girls who will be 5 in May and I would like to start teaching them to ride. I have a quiet Haflinger gelding that I can start them on. I’m trying to decide whether to buy a small saddle (English or Western?) or a bareback pad for them. I don’t want to spend a ton of money since I don’t know yet if my girls will even enjoy riding. My challenge with a saddle would be finding a small enough saddle that will also fit my Haflinger, who is pretty wide. I like the idea of a bareback pad, but thinking they would need stirrups so they don’t slide off the side, and to help with posting the trot. I really like the idea of a pony-sized sheepskin bareback pad (which I could ride in too!). I could add stirrups. I found a couple that look pretty good.

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/641377922/bareback-saddle-pad-100-genuine-siberian?ref=shop_home_active_7&pro=1&frs=1

And this one

https://lammfelle.de/en/HorseDream/Fellsattel-Bareback-Pads/

Would appreciate any advice! I have taught riding lessons in the past but always in a school environment with normal sized saddles.

Christ pads look decent, if pricy.
You might be able to find a used (outgrown) kid’s saddle for the same money.

If you do go with a bareback pad, find one that uses a standard girth.
Adding stirrups to some - especially the ones with a web girth - can cause the pad to slip.

And now we need pics of your girls on the Haffie.
How cute is that going to be? :smiley:

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I’d go with a saddle- esp if your guy is wide and your girls are little. It will give them a little more “purchase” and probably be more comfy for them. A wintec kids might work well for you

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Pads without a tree like saddles have should not really be used with stirrups.
That is not safe and even if many do it, I would not go there.

Used kids saddles should not be very expensive and would fit most pony sized backs just fine.

Could you start them easy with a pad, no stirrups, slow and playing games on the horse and from the horse, then later add a regular kids saddle with stirrups?

With kids that little it is just being around the horse and on the horse as a game.

I have use my 16" Stubben Rex to start little kids.
It fit fine for kids, it is a kid’s saddle.

Here is an extra wide kid’s regular saddle you may consider:

http://www.pelham-saddlery.com/child_used_saddle/brittania22546used.html

They give a trial period, so it if doesn’t work, you can send it back.
I am sure there are many such others on the internet.
Once you don’t need it any more, it can be sent to be sold again.

I second that we would love to see pictures.

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Yes, I am a bit concerned about a bareback pad with stirrups slipping sideways although my girls are so small right now, I’m not sure if they would be heavy enough to be able to do that! I actually bought a 10" synthetic “leadline” saddle for them for Christmas, but there was no way it was going to fit the horse so sent it back. I have seen the Wintec saddles, and they are sold locally. I’ve been keeping my eyes out for a used children’s saddle, but haven’t seen any that may work for us. It’s a bit tough being in Canada.

keep looking as the saddles are out there that will fit

Are your twins actually learning to ride or wanting to ride or is just a “pony ride” type of occurrence? We have Morgans and all of our kids rode those horses using children saddles that would fit wide backed horses, we just looked around until we found the proper tack.

Look at Morgan or Arabian saddles as they are for shorter backed horses

My daughter started out on a pony pad. It’s a cross between a saddle and a bareback pad. She put a solid 2 years in on it, started jumping with it too. Now she’s 7 and in a 15" prestige saddle. No way would a 16" saddle fit her at the moment, the 15" is still a bit big but it’s not putting her in a bad position.

https://www.thornsaddles-pads.co.uk/saddle-pads.html
thisbisbwhat we had, great for flat backed native types but not so great with withers

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Little kids don’t need stirrups. Their legs are not long enough and their bodies are light enough that slipping around because of the lack of stirrups (like an adult might) is not an issue. A bareback pad with a strap (which I think all, or at least most, have) is more than sufficient for little kids. At that age my daughter went back and forth between a saddle and a bareback pad and the bareback was hands down the easiest and taught her the most.

I found a used kid’s western saddle that fit our pony for my older son to start riding on. It made him feel very secure and I would recommend it. My younger son started riding my 15 hand qh when he was six using my 16 inch Pariani saddle. Just took up the stirrups to fit him. He was taking small jumps in a few months.

Thank you for the reply clanter. My girls have been helping me groom and going for pony rides for a couple of years now. I had a tiny Western saddle that I borrowed that was perfect, but I don’t have access to it any more, so now they are bareback and it’s slippery! They absolutely love riding so far. I would like to start doing a bit of trotting with them on the lunge line, but don’t want them bouncing off! I will keep looking, I know if I lived in the UK I could find an appropriate saddle pretty quickly.

bluepece2 - thank you for the recommendation, they look nice!

Thanks so much for the reply. That’s one thing I’m not sure about, whether they need stirrups or not. I do want them to learn how to post the trot, so would think stirrups would be very helpful once they get to that stage??

Yes, I can probably find a Western saddle that will fit OK, although I wonder if it might provide too much security, and thinking it wouldn’t be long before I’d be switching to an English saddle or bareback pad?

I have posted this before but here it is again, this is my youngest daughter at age five, full tack was child’s size and yes she could ride with a double bridle …now show cloths was another story

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Yes, I think you would have to get them stirrups to learn to post. But posting is overrated when they’re still really little!

I got my daughter a 14" saddle (pessoa pony saddle - english) right before she turned 6, and I wish I’d gotten it for her sooner. She learned different things bareback vs. in the saddle, and ultimately I think they were both important.

we had our kids start in English then switch to western, it was then easier to find a child’s English saddle that would fit our horses

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Use a proper sheepskin and a surcingle. Put the sheepskin on suede side up. The kids stick to the suede and learn fast. They also learn that they don’t need stirrups to keep balance. I’ve taught heaps of kids on a sheepskin. They get to the stage of cantering and beginning to jump - all outside an arena, up and down hills, across farmland - before they need a saddle. Once they get a saddle, they learn to rise to the trot in about 3 goes. But it doesn’t matter if they don’t get the rising, because they don’t need to. I have seen little kids posting without being taught and without stirrups.

You do need a real sheepskin though - with suede on it, not lined like the ones in your link.

I did both, older boy with a western saddle, younger boy on an English saddle. It didn’t seem to make any difference to them. They both learned to ride well, even though their saddles were different. But we moved to another state and a different life style before they began learning equitation. Bareback pad looks to be a good way for kids to learn, but I don’t have any experience with it. I just learned to ride bareback the old fashioned way, but I was older then.

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She is adorable, poised and secure. At the top of her game, aged five! Too cute to see her doing such a good job!

We started all beginners first getting on and off on our barrel vaulting practice “horse”.
Then on the longe line for a bit.

Generally we used the vaulting pad and surcingle, then a saddle.
All, of all ages, unless they needed more support right off, as some adults and less able kids may have needed.
That was before riding for the handicapped was standard.

I would say, the most important is a suitable horse, for little kids one that is not so rough the kid just can’t get a seat but bounces wildly all over.
We started them on a smooth horse, then one less so if they were doing well, both will teach balance.

With little bitty kids, the riding centers would not take a kid until 7, but private owners would start their kids earlier some times, depending on the kid, as a beginner is not about riding but doing things around and with the horse.
I think the OP is past that stage, her kids are already familiar with horses and all about them, but need to start riding itself.

My guess, not knowing the kids is just a wild guess, is that for such kids, I would start them in both, at times bareback itself, some with a pad and also in a regular saddle and then see how they progress.
You don’t have to only ride one way, use all ways as what you do with the horse permits.

I went with western saddle to start the kids, about age 5-6. Had the horn to grab, suede seat for grip, 12 inch seat length. Nice brand name maker, Billy Royal. Then their saddle size went up an inch at a time as they grew. 13 inch to 14 inch, ending with a 14.5 for the girl, 15 inch for the boy. Saddles fit them right at that growth stage, I never bought saddles for “them to grow into”. Can’t ride well if saddle does not fit the rider. To buy one now, I would look at barrel saddles with small seat sizes. I have seen them on Ebay for pretty reasonable prices, below $500. Other saddle sale sites will also have them for sale. Might even find one locally on Craigslist. Those little girls outgrow them soon, so not really worn much. AND they have trees to fit bigger horses, not all smaller pony sized trees. The barrel racing folks who start them early, are serious about good fit for child and equine to get the best speed in a go. Talking about winning BIG MONEY, so saddle fit is serious business to them.

I would think a Haffie could wear western saddle very comfortably. I WOULD add a Y-shaped breastcollar for safety, saddle can only slip so far, not under his belly if something happened. My kids ALWAYS used breastcollar or hunting breast plate when riding as a safety measure on their western and english saddles… Even as they got older, they might get distracted as kids do, forget to recheck girth, tighten it again. I could not always be there to remind them. Happened ONCE to each kid at about age 13-14yrs, saddle slid to the side, breastcollar stopped saddle, they swung feet down to get off. The same wonderful older horse stopped dead with kid hanging on saddle on his side, waited for saddle to be fixed. They got embarrassed because it happened at workouts in front of friends who razzed them about it! Have to say our kids never forgot to recheck girths again, and I saw more kids at workouts checking their girths without being reminded!

Western saddles have a nice seat to aid a child to stay seated with the higher cantle, swells in front under the horn. I would not worry about posting so young, they have hands and minds full, with reins, keeping feet down in place, steering and helmets unbalancing them. Little kids have a lot of body weight in just their heads, easy to get off balance just turning their head to look at you! I used a mechanical hackamore, western type with a thick covered nose, long shanks, so little kids were not pulling on mouths. I wanted child able to easily stop horse with a pull, using their small strength.

Mine learned to post well after learning a secure seat, control of steering, better coordination with age, confidence in being in control of their horse. Both continued on, learning English riding skills, enjoyed jumping, hunt paces, showing.

I did not let them ride without a side walker until they could hold on, stay seated when horse did a full body shake. It was a measurement of body strength, ability to think to grab the saddle horn if needed. Their small horse would shake herself starting almost every ride, so I held them on, in place, before they could do it themselves. We laughed each time, said she was making sure everything was in the right place. But it would have been frightening if she had shaken them off because they were not strong enough to hold themselves on. Son actually was not as strong as daughter at the same age. She just grew bigger, faster, sooner. So I just went slower with him. Age is not a good measuring tool for ability of body or coordination development. You have to work with the kid in front of you to keep them safe.