OP, now your entire facebook is set to public, I don’t know if you want that. BTW he’s really cute and he sure looks like an ASB.
Thanks, ReSomething! I tried to reply to your last PM, but I think your mailbox is full.
I’m not sure how FB works as far as if I link an album. Most of my settings are to friends only, but could it be that once someone is looking at an album and are already on my page they can browse other content? Thank you for the heads up. Of course, I would LOVE to be friends with other COTH’ers, particularly those who ride saddleseat or drive or have fat racking ponies!
Thanks for the information on DNA and registration. I have a few questions
about Saddlebred registration in general:
About how many horses are registered each year? What percentage would you say
are not registered? How does it work with regard to showing and registration…i.e.
Must they be registered for all shows, or only breed specific shows?
I’m trying to work out if the breeders of my horse would probably have
taken the trouble to register him.
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As far as I know they do not have the capability to take mystery horse X’s DNA and bippity bop it into a computer and come up with a horse’s ID (I don’t think any registry has their technology up to that level). They can verify if a horse is or is not a specific horse, but that is the extent of it.[/QUOTE]
The Registry does not but the lab they use for the DNA typing does. The AMHA uses UC Davis for the parent verification of all Morgans. If you have a horse that you think is a Morgan and think it might have been registered you order a DNA kit from AMHA and send a hair sample to UC Davis. The lab then establishes a DNA type from the hair sample you submit and compares it to all Morgan DNA types on file to see if there is a match. If the horse you have was previously registered with DNA then there would be a match.
I don’t know what lab the Saddlebred Association uses for their DNA typing but I’d assume they would work the same as UC Davis.
I don’t know much about percentages but the registry encourages rapid registration by having a tiered or graduated fee system, ie the longer you wait the more it costs. You may not show in a breed show, which are all USEF rated shows without registration papers although once you find out who he is and get a copy you needn’t have him registered in your name to show. It helps to become an ASHA member for $75 or so.
If he had the shoes and his tail was cut he most likely was registered although there still is that possibility he is an Arab/ASB cross or National Show Horse. He can show just like any other horse at dressage or eventing or H/J competitions. The USEF rateds for ASB are almost exclusively SS or fine harness although there is an active hunt seat contingent that is NOT in Kentucky. Also Western and Trail/Endurance is a new addition. There is quite a bit to learn! Finding a reputable trainer will help a great deal.
The Registry does not but the lab they use for the DNA typing does. The AMHA uses UC Davis for the parent verification of all Morgans. If you have a horse that you think is a Morgan and think it might have been registered you order a DNA kit from AMHA and send a hair sample to UC Davis. The lab then establishes a DNA type from the hair sample you submit and compares it to all Morgan DNA types on file to see if there is a match. If the horse you have was previously registered with DNA then there would be a match.
I don’t know what lab the Saddlebred Association uses for their DNA typing but I’d assume they would work the same as UC Davis.
VTdobes, you are correct. ours went to UC Davis. I should have clarified the lab does the dna reversal, not the registry.
So how much did it cost?
If you are interested on American Driving Society (ADS) pleasure shows or CDEs you don’t need papers.
Christa
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Regarding his background- there used to be a breeder/trainer in Alabama that had a gray stallion and raised ASB for sporthorse activities. I think the farm name was Long Grey Lines or something similar. Not sure if they’re still active.
thank you for rescuing him and good luck with your training.[/QUOTE]
I was just going to suggest the Long Grey Line Farm in Huntsville, Alabama. Martha Utley Aiken has had several grey Saddlebred stallions and mares and would likely be able to help you. She is very knowledgeable and has owned Saddlebreds most of her life. She has a web page.
Thank you so much for taking this guy in. I’m sure he will be a joy! I’ve loved all the Saddlebreds that have come into my life (my heart horse came from Long Grey Line Farm).
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I was just going to suggest the Long Grey Line Farm in Huntsville, Alabama. Martha Utley Aiken has had several grey Saddlebred stallions and mares and would likely be able to help you. She is very knowledgeable and has owned Saddlebreds most of her life. She has a web page.
Thank you so much for taking this guy in. I’m sure he will be a joy! I’ve loved all the Saddlebreds that have come into my life (my heart horse came from Long Grey Line Farm).[/QUOTE]
Thank you, Gainer! He has been a lot of fun so far, and I do love his high spirit combined with his very laid-back, friendly attitude. He seems to love people and we are already starting to bond.
I am very grateful for all the helpful information people have shared on my thread. COTH is the best!
I don’t have anything useful to add other than to contact the Long Gray Line farm. Grays aren’t that common and there’s a possibility she might recognize the horse or at least point you in the right direction.
ASBs in general are a pretty willing to please breed. Treat them right and they’ll walk through fire for you if you ask them to. My next horse will be an ASB or National Show Horse. I grew up riding them and absolutely love them!
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So how much did it cost?[/QUOTE]
Through the AMHA the cost is $50 for the DNA test kit.
Banburys highland mist
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I am hoping that some can offer some guidance and suggestions for me. I posted last summer about my Hackney pony and got some very good perspective. (After about 5 or 6 months of ground work and a move to a new farm, Tempest is doing wonderfully! We spend many enjoyable hours together both alone and in company of other friends in my road cart or spring wagon, and he is so smart and energetic…he really is the apple of my eye!)
In February I met an extremely personable and handsome dappled grey Saddlebred at New Holland. He had show shoes on his front feet and was barefoot behind, and someone had cut the silver skirt of his tail. He was very underweight but otherwise healthy, so my friend the BO and I got him.
He spent the winter eating hay, being groomed, going for walks when the weather permitted. He got his first set of shoes on and had his teeth floated. (The dentist said he had a lot of sharp points.) I have lunged him in a surcingle and loose side reins and have taught him voice commands. I got him a harness and started to lunge him in a crupper, which took some getting used to (very athletic bucks) and added the breeching when he no longer reacted to the crupper. We have done some long lining, and recently I put his driving bridle on him and started to ground drive him, both in our work area and down the farm lane and back.
Ideally, I’d like him to be a pleasure driving horse, and I intend to start riding him eventually. I figure that I am going to let him tell me what he likes to do.
The problem (if it is one) is that he is my first Saddlebred and I have no experience with them at all. I grew up riding as a 4-H’er and then on to showing hunters and later jumpers…and my driving experience, aside from my Hackney pony, was as an standardbred driver at fairs and some amateur races at Rosecroft. I read a lot and attended Devon this year to watch the Saddlebred and Hackney classes. I also read the CD-L and have posted some questions about how to proceed with the grey from here.
I’ve been told by a few people on CD-L that it would be unsafe to drive him without a sidecheck because that is what he was used to in the show ring.
I am not even sure if he WAS driven. I am simply deducing that he was a show horse because of the type of shoes he arrived in at the sale. He was ridden bareback through the ring, and I don’t have papers on him.
I suppose I am looking for some light shed on what types of training experiences he is likely to have had if he was a show horse. I board him with an Amishman who has Morgans, so while he is very good help on certain points of driving and offers very practical advice, he is not familiar with the tack and training of show saddlebreds.
Sorry that this is long and rambling. Thank you for reading to the end! I really love this horse (we named him Dorian Grey) and I want to do well by him.[/QUOTE]
Is this the horse you bought??? Banburys Highland Mist??? We owned him …we would love to know how he is.
He is registered ~ been around … ASHA
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He is registered ~ been around ~ sold several times .
Shown in Midwest area …
Go to ASHA … Click on Temporary Pass to view his
Registration papers
Show record
as well as the trail of his ownerships ~
Tina English … Timbermist Farms trained him at one point … Pleasant Hill Missouri
- call her to ask specific riding / driving questions …
bitting for driving / overcheck …
Good Luck ~ glad you found him and he found you ~
He was shown riding and driving ~ pleasure classes ~
- just noticed this is an ancient thread ??? [/B]
This is a two year old thread- you might have to PM or email the OP
thx, I just did!
I would love an update.
do you know the horse???
