Saddles - ordering and return policies - WTH?!

Oooh those are nice. They weren’t out yet when I bought my Prestige so I didn’t try them, but I’ve been ogling them from afar since they were released.

I can see both sides of this. That model has been out for less than a year so I understand not having a huge inventory on hand for trials, and I don’t blame a company for not allowing refunds on custom orders if the only issue is that the size you ordered doesn’t end up fitting you correctly. But as a buyer, I’d be hesitant to order something without sitting in it first.

That said, I’ve had great experiences with Prestige and their fitters, so of all the companies you could order custom from they’d be high on my list to take the risk. I was strongly considering it for my dressage saddle since I was having trouble finding something used with the flap I needed, but one popped up before I went through with the custom order. You’d at least know for sure it’ll fit your horse and the chances of it being a totally unworkable fit for you are fairly low, and you can always resell if needed.

If you haven’t already, I would also try reaching out to Sprucewood Tack and Equestrian Imports, they sell new and used Prestige saddles and might be able to help you. Both offer trials on new saddles, I don’t remember what the specific terms were though.

2 Likes

Oh wow! What a cool tree concept. What things did you notice improved for your boy?

Keep us updated!! I’d love to learn more about this tree.

As a former saddle fitter who sold saddles, I will say I can see both sides. I personally have had a fully custom saddle not work as well as I’d liked and like everyone, taken HUGE losses when I sold the saddle.

Most saddles are customized orders, not fully custom. There are a handful of saddlers who will make fully custom, and IME, you don’t get to ride in much of anything unless you happen to be in a barn where a others are using the same brand.

Saddles are super expensive to stock and there are a huge number of models available in a huge number of combinations.

For a saddle company to have an exhaustive inventory of every possible permutation you could order they would have to stock about 6000 saddles. Assuming they have 3 jumping models and 5 dressage models…one leather combo here. It would take stocking 750 saddles to cover every single combination for each model.

Jumping demos 2250 (3 * 6 * 5 * 5 *5)
dressage demos 3750 (5 * 6 * 5 * 5 * 5)
Total Demos 6000

This is simple math, based on what is “Available to order”
6 Tree widths NM, M, M+, MW, W, XW
5 Seat Sizes 16.5, 17, 17.5, 18, 18.5
5 Flap options
5 options for Panel customization for your horse

Why should a company stock a NM 18.5" jumping saddle in every model available for that unlikely combination of a very lean, high withered horse with a sizable rider? Most of the time, that rider who needs an 18.5 or 19 (didn’t even include that in the count) is hopefully choosing a horse who has a MW-XW build.

So SuzieQ rider has the fitter look at a swaybacked horse who is unfit, or the fat table-top horse with huge shoulders, or whatever other poorly built riding horse they present. Many times, the horse is sore. The fitter can try to guess if the fat horse will go down a tree size with fitness, stay the same with fitness, or will it actually muscle up even MORE on the top line and get wider…

I will do my best to buy a demo saddle if it is 95% or better for what I want and I can make it work for my horse.

My last customized order was a Takt and I really like it, my balance for jumping is great. The demo/loaner I rode in while waiting on my customized order was meh…it was too big for me, I didn’t like the feel of the demo saddle’s covered hide leather or piping colors, but it did fit my horse.

My choice was completely customized, I didn’t want covered hide flaps, but old school leather with a sweat panel, I wanted short flaps, my seat size, and with a tree and panels for my horse. It’s great for both of us and as a result, I went with the Takt for my latest dressage saddle, but in this case, the demo I tried was great, just not a short flap, but I really liked this demo for the hide and trim choices, and it fit my horse.

Many companies will take a customized saddle back with a restocking fee. It’s usually on the form you sign when you order a new, customized saddle. If it’s an error in the build, I know Takt will rebuild the saddle and let the customer keep a loaner, and that does not take a restocking fee, that’s how they do it. I also enjoy working with the company on fit for my horse.

The restocking fee on a customized saddle makes sense if it is because the buyer does not like it, or the horse has substantially changed, died or been sold.

If it is a stock saddle, stock size, stock leather, then it’s a good chance it could be returned because you’re actually probably in a demo.

4 Likes

I kind of want it now…

2 Likes

I’m super interested in that tree. I’d love to ride in it. I’d also love to under the longevity of that pivot point, it’s a single point of failure with a fairly high load I’d imagine. Anyway, I do love the innovation we’re seeing in saddles!

2 Likes

I completely understand both sides of the situation - just happen to be sitting on one of them. LOL

The difference in my horse: his walk was instantly swingier and he was reaching through his shoulders from the very beginning of each ride. He just gets better and better as he works - more over his back than he’s ever been, stretching foward and powering along. He’s back to enjoying jumping and is happy but rideably so, whereas he used to get a little frenetic when he hadn’t been jumping regularly. This is a horse who’d gotten progressively stickier in his old saddle, and I’m really glad I listened to him and stopped riding in it before he felt like he had to have a tantrum to make his point.

And it feels like a French saddle but is flocked and we have a good fitter regularly at the barn.

So yeah, new tree - yikes; price tag - yikes; return policy - yikes. Happy horse? Take my cc.

6 Likes

That concept is really cool! But with a price tag like that I would expect there to be a little more information about it online other then the 30 second promo on their site. When I was buying my BUA saddle I found all kind studies & videos of the saddle in action. Just a small gripe lol

3 Likes

I am assume you’re not ordering something super bizarre but a normalish tree/flap size with some bells and whistles customization?

Maybe they are not really ready to sell these saddles to customers if NONE CAN BE HAD ANYWHERE even remotely close to normal horse buyer specifications… and that makes me leery. What if this saddle fits like a dream but has some big manufacturing defect that nobody knows because they don’t have any of them out in circulation yet? I’d be leery to be the guinea pig on something $$$ and brand new that the company is basically washing its hands of if it turns out not to work.

It’s just the flap that you are worried about? Not seat size? And you know you need to go at least one size more forward compared to the demo. I think honestly you can get a pretty good idea from other models in the same brand when it comes to the flap. Provided you don’t sit in something that is advertised as having a more forward flap as standard. There should not be a ton of difference among models as far as the basic flap dimensions.

I never order a forward flap in jump saddles. A lot of demos I sit in are at least somewhat forward. And a lot of demos are often a seat size too big, putting me even further behind a too forward flap. Sometimes I take a long flap. I don’t tend to have problems picking the correct flap even though the demos are all wrong in the leg.

I’d be curious to read how the Prestige Rubino tree is different from the CWD Dynamick tree that you can find in their 2GS saddles. I’m assuming OP tried a CWD 2GS since they are pretty easy to find? Also sounds like the Prestige is wool flocked while CWD is foam, so of course that can make a world of difference in fit.

Edit to add: I watched the Prestige video and didn’t realize the tree was in two different pieces. Interesting design, I would be worried about the potential for these parts to fail long term with how new the product is.

5 Likes

They get away with it because people will buy them anyway.

3 Likes

How does this flexible tree ride? The concept sounds a bit like the reactor panel saddle that my local saddle fitter loves, but that feels like a ejector seat if the horse can jump at all or does anything remotely bucky…

5 Likes

This is where I’m at after watching the video. If that joint fails at all, or starts to stick on one side or the other and now the tree is crooked, it seems like it would not only be difficult to diagnose, but difficult to fix.

The concept seems interesting, though I wonder if horses would like something with that much flex, or if the area of the back right under the pivot point would get pinched over time.

This is new enough that I would wait until it’s proven over buying now, especially if I was also worried about not being able to purchase the flap AND having the demo saddle push my leg too far backwards.

4 Likes

Wow Saddlery has been usung a simular concept for a while. They did just update it in 2023.

3 Likes

I wont ever order a saddle again. Plenty of new ones on the rack that can be tweaked.

Did you know you can order prestige flaps? they’ll set you back about $1200. Perhaps they’ll take the stock ones back? Or have a fitter swivel the existing ones slightly.

A note about the tree: Prestige offers a lifetime warranty. So even if the joint fails, it can be fixed at no charge.

Or wait a bit. Here is one with forward flaps: https://www.sophysiosaddles.com/product-page/prestige-rubino

4 Likes

There’s one here, too: https://sportshorseservices.com/products/prestige-as-x-rubino-mf-jumping-saddle-1733-london-elite-used

I have bought two custom saddles - one through a fitter and one directly from the maker. It never even occurred to me to be able to return for a refund (other than for manufacturers mistakes). Both experiences were great. I would do it again IF the fitter and manufacturer have good reputations that they are invested in protecting. Hopefully the fitter measured you to give the maker a better idea of what you need for fit?

Hypothetical question (maybe) - I purchased a saddle for my daughter’s horse 8 weeks ago from the best independent saddle fitter in our area; she came out, did a fit assessment and we trialed the saddle we purchased for a week.

Long story short, it now seems like it may not fit, it’s been slipping up the horse’s neck the last week. We’ve changed the pads, it seems like it’s fitting better, we’re waiting for the trainer to return from a show to take a look, but if it doesn’t fit, what is the protocol? This was an expensive purchase, our original saddle is on consignment and hasn’t sold yet, I don’t really want to be out another $$$. I’ll reach out to the fitter, obviously, but what should I expect? TIA!

1 Like

If it is wool flocked, it is normal to need an adjustment after some time has been spent in the saddle because it compresses. My fitter does a free check/reflocking after 30 hours, I think. Your saddle may just need a little dialing in…though sliding up the neck sounds extreme.

Unfortunately, not wool flocked…

1 Like