Safe stall runs

What is your favorite material or solution for safely separating horses in their runs? I have runs off my stalls, but I feel like I can only open alternate runs because the horses like to mess with their neighbors. I’d like all the horses to enjoy their patios, but I’m not sure how to keep them safe.

I’m afraid of mesh, because I heard of a horse kicking through and tearing up her leg. I have board fencing now and I had a horse kick and hit the board with her tendons (She did break the skin over her tendons but ultimately she healed up okay). I guess with the mares it’s kicking that gets them in trouble, whereas the geldings are more likely to have play-fights.

if needed we for separation or maintaining a distance away from anything we just have to use a piece of electric fence tape, charged or not none of our horses will touch it…none

Once a horse, at least our horses, have tested a charged electric fence line they will not touch it again, may if be charged or not, they are not dumb

Quote isn’t working for me, but @clanter I had living proof that refutes your Hot or Not theory.
DH’s TWH tested fence & if it wasn’t hot he’d:
A)Limbo underneath to join mares in their pasture
B)Torture my TB by grabbing the top wire & pinging it. Made TB go all bugeyed & snorty “Don’t touch that!”
Which was extra fun when it was the wire used for the outdoor arena (same as for pastures) & I was riding :smirk:

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I’ve successfully spilt my pony’s shed area off from my two drafts. She needs to eat senior food, they really really don’t! The shed itself is divided from the boys by a solid wall as it is actually an addition to the former end of the shed. There is then a shared water tank. The fence there is made solely of 3 boards with the top at 5’6". Then her run is divided from them by a combination of hot tape and boards. The boards are 8 inch by 1.5". In between the boards is a hot tape. The top board is at 5 feet. Above that is hot tape at 5’6". The gate from her section into theirs (which is the main paddock) is three strands of hot tape with an added diagonal. Again the top is 5’6"
It works quite well!

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George will test a hot wire, and if it’s not charged he will climb under/thru if there is room. Rosy doesn’t seem to be bothered by the little shock sensation any more than I am; Unpleasant, but not unbearable. I have seen him leaning on the top wire to schmooze with the neighbors Mares. I thought the charger was bad and put a hand on the wire. It wasn’t.
OTOH, my Senior TB “Oily” was in mortal terror of anything that even looked like it might be a hot-wire or tape. Wouldn’t even step over a piece lying on the ground.
Our boys really like playing their nose-game across a corral panel. I’ve seen 'em bang them pretty hard, but never do any real damage to themselves or the panels. We use Priefert panels, just FWIW.
Helicon, I wouldn’t worry about it unless they are hatefully aggressive. Then I wouldn’t keep them in adjoining stalls/paddocks, or if that’s not an option, then install a second line of panels far enough away from the existing ones that they can’t reach across.

I really like runs on stalls if the horses have to spend any significant time in stalls. One barn I boarded at had 12x50 runs on the stalls and the runs were built with hot polywire. No issues but the geldings were on one side of the barn and mares on the other side.

IMO, the standard 12 ft width of stalls and thus that same 12 ft width run is a little tight. When I planned out my current barn at home, I designed so that my “runs” and stalls were wider. It is a little easier to do that though with a smaller barn I think. I put “runs” in quotes bc what I have is actually full blown paddocks attached to my stalls. My geldings do like to hang out and play bitey face over the fence some. Which I find funny bc they don’t play bitey face when they are turned out together.

I did note My Horses, they will not test any of the fence tapes we use, it is about 2 1/2 inch wide, white in color.

We have Morgans who once taught something never forget

We have seven paddocks were if needed we can have an empty between horses

I have runs off of my stalls, they are 12‘ x 40‘. Horses absolutely test hotwire. They use their whiskers as fence testers.

The safest fencing solution for me has been this: Start with pipe fence, add what is called horse panels around here to that. Horse panels are extremely heavy duty 2 x 4 mesh panels. Add hot wire on top, Using pipe panel hot wire extenders. That puts the hot wire about 6 inches above the fence line.

You have to be very careful that there are no sharp edges. We wire the panel onto the pipe fence and are very careful to tuck the edges of the heavy duty wire down inside the gap so Horses can’t hurt themselves. I also go around with a grinder, and grind off all the sharp edges on the hog panels.

Horses with the added panels cannot stick their legs through the pipe fence. Which they do without the panels. The pipes supports the panels. Thepanels themselves are super sturdy, I have not had any issues with horse is kicking through them as they do with normal noclimb

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/horse-fence-panel-5-ft-x-16-ft

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I have the woven wire mesh. With a hot wire on top. It’s been up for 14 years now, and no breaks or damage. It’s pretty good. I wrapped the wood fence posts on the side not covered by the wire fencing with regular small square welded wire (not as indestructible as the woven, but easier to work with, and the horses can’t tell the difference). Then touch up any exposed wood with used diesel oil to further discourage chewing any exposed wood. Pretty easy to do. They can hang out together, but no actual contact. The electric wire is high, like about 5 feet, and protects the top wooden rail, a wire runs on either side of the rail. My horses tend to get along well, live communally in winter, but new horses do come and go as visitors, and no one mixes it up through these fences. No kicking. Since I have no stalls (it doesn’t rain much here), and I often have two horses to a paddock (friends bunk together), this system works well for me.

I do have one mare who does duck under an electric wire, in cases where that is the only barrier. She knows that it is gonna sting, but she steels herself and goes for it, if that is what she wants to do. She feels that it’s worth it to get to where she wants to go. She’s a pretty gritty type, for sure. Opinionated, and tough minded. But that is a rarity in horses.

The woven wire is great.

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I’ll see your Morgans - known just a few & like those - & raise you my Walkers.
They are the most People-oriented horses I’ve ever owned (now on #3) & scary smart.

we have used all of our in multiple disciplines, they learn to alter their presence by what tack has been put on. To me it is interesting that they know if they have western tack on the will adjust their gaits to reflect the tack.

The reason we went to electric tape on the fences we had one who was used as an eventer as well as could jump just about anything, including our fences which are mostly five foot plus a few inches. I would find him in a paddock with another horse, I thought my daughter or wife may have put him in but learned he was clear jumping the fence into the paddock to be with his friend

this is photo of him with us just seeing what he could do, this is at 5ft plus a few inches

pi big jump

while on a course he just liked to show off

trinity

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My gelding was pasture boarded for 19 years. He was 27 and I had to move him because he wasn’t getting adequate care. I had to go with a stall, and he really hated them. I was worried because the new barn had 12x12 stalls with atttached runs. He was agited for a few days but settled in nicely. The runs were about 40’ long plus they had daily turnout, They were always open execpt during thunderstorms. They were separtated with sturdy board fences and a few had an electric tape on top. I don’t know if it was ever hot. They all loved the overhang with an 8’ matted asphalt floor, especially in the hot sun, rain or snow There were gates between each run so the tractor could move deep snow. There also was an opening in the stall grill so they could stick their heads out into the aisleway. The nightime check was around 10 p.m. and included the 4th feeding for those who needed it - we did. Each stall had a heated Nelson.

We had a choice of 3 stalls because a few people were moving. I picked the one on the south side overlooking the parking lot. It was the biggest at about 20 feet wide. It was perfect for him. He liked to observe so the parking worked nicely. He also enjoyed stretching out for a daily nap. I never noticed any significant encounters between neighbors, and he was next to a mare for a while.

I had to put my beloved Speckles down last July. He was the oldest. The BO decided the best real estate should always go to the oldest horse.

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I would say it greatly depends upon your horses and their neighbors.

My Morgan is a bit problematic with fences. He only has one neighbor that shares a fenceline. Unfortunately, with two different neighbors, he took down electric fencing. He likes to play fight by rearing up and likely misjudged his descent and snagged a wire. Didn’t learn, even after the fence was charged with a stronger charger. So my patient and determined BO put woven wire reaching at least six feet up (and well off the ground). That helped a lot, but we started to notice the top of the fence being bent… There is now electric on top of that! :roll_eyes:

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First problem, the standard 12’ wide run is too small, a horse can pick at another from both sides and the one in only 12’ feels helpless to get away, it promotes barrier aggression.
Horses tend to fight worse in narrow spaces and for horses a 12’ run is like practically being in each other’s spaces.

Our quarantine barn outside runs are commercial horse 6 bar pipe panels, 14’ x 58’, the last 14’ length under the barn overhang.
Our main barn runs are self made 6’ tall, 2" panel frames with horse 2" x 4" wire mesh, 16’ x 68’, the last 20’ length under the barn overhang.
Not ideal, 20’ or 24’ width would be a better minimum, but all of us have to compromise at times.

We have had rarely a horse injured and then it was lightly, some scrapes, when getting legs thru pipes laying down or responding to a neighbor’s play/fight advances.

The old pens where we kept our older stallions by each other were 6’ high, heavier V-mesh on 2" well pipe posts and top and we never had anyone injured.
Once we had one hang a shoe on it and pull it off.
We used those pens for decades and consider those the safest for horses.
They do require keeping the wire tight and that takes maintenance.
Our other pens are practically maintenance free.

If you are building new, try to figure a way to give horses wider pens.
That is easy with three or less stalls, as you can steal width from adjacent stalls for the middle one, or at least make the end ones wider by getting past the barn width with those pens.

We found out that portable good quality horse pipe panels are fairly safe.
You can easily remodel them around if you are not in a permanent place, to suit best as your situation and horses over years have different needs.

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