Santa Anita- do you think somethings up?

In my lifetime, I feel like this has happened at SA a handful of times with heavy rainfall in late fall/winter months. I wasn’t keeping statistics and the EID doesn’t go back all that far, so I can’t back up my memory with any data.

It seems like a reasonable action to set a policy in place that racing will be suspended and training will be limited if the rainfall exceeds X inches in a time period.

Of course, that type of policy alone does diddly squat to temper public opinion in the age of social media and sensational journalism. There is always going to be a portion of the general public who is never okay with working animals and animals assuming risk. The majority of the public does not care, yet could be swayed either direction if the story is particularly sensational. People love outrage.

So in my opinion, the Stronach Group did exactly what they needed to do. They had to make a statement, and they did. It’s not unlike when an organization makes a huge public blunder and the CEO publicly steps down. People need to feel good that an action was taken, even if that action is merely symbolic. I suspect these policies will be quietly reverse when the spotlight is off Santa Anita. It completely stinks that the horses and horsemen pay the immediate price, though.

Horse racing is a public sport. It is funded with taxpayer dollars. There was a statistic in the news recently that the PA racing agencies receive more tax money than the state health department, and I imagine those stats are similar in other states with extensive pari-mutuel wagering. For the most part, the general public is completely oblivious to this. But by golly, if “the internet” ever gets wind of stats like that, they are going to have a field day. It’s dangerous times for horse racing…

Forgive me if this has already been posted, I found this theory to be both fascinating and possible.
https://www.animals24-7.org/2019/03/…s-santa-anita/

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I tend to be skeptical of that idea that the ash alone could change the surface that dramatically. I mean, how much ash was actually deposited on the surface? Even if it can change the stabilization of footing, it doesn’t seem like there could be anywhere near enough to have such a sweeping impact on SO much sand.

Although I can get on board with the idea that climate change in general could be having a multi-faceted effect on the racing surface, and the particularly unusual year brought these effects to light more than usual.

That was very interesting.

I wonder how, since the experts can find nothing wrong with the track, this could be the problem. However, given that no one has an inkling of why this is happening, the possibility of some effect on the track by the wildfire smoke should definitely be studied.

PETA seems to me to be an odd and combative group. The comment that trainers should be prosecuted when there is no evidence of wrongdoing is creepy.

Laurierace, interesting thoughts in the ash article.

If nothing else, would be interesting to see if the surface experts have considered, checked, researched this possibility.

In my horribly uninformed opinion, I feel something is up with the surface since it appears to be the largest commonality between the spike in breakdowns between SA and other tracks with significant amounts of rain. Does SA’s surface just not deal with excessive rain? Is the surface not approbate for excessive rain? Is it something like the ash?

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Good Lord.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/15/us/santa-anita-racing-investigation/index.html

Even I know this.

The article is not clear as to whether the CHRB referred cases to the D.A. in this incidence, or if they have done so in the past and that is what the author means…

If the dots connected like that Standardbreds should be dropping like flies. Some of them will have over 40 starts a year on Lasix. We have a whole different idea of what a warhorse is. :wink:

My SO and I have been discussing this and he was wondering if it might be some block used on their feet, but wouldn’t something like that show up in the necropsy?

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I doubt that so many different trainers would be doing something that drastic and wrong…

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One would only hope they weren’t. It was more idle musings on his part. He’s been around the racing business for about 50 years in the STBs and it was something he wondered about.

Here’s another update from the LATimes:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-santa-anita-thoroughbred-owners-california-deal-20190316-story.html

Racing set to resume March 22.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/232572/racing-set-to-resume-march-22-at-santa-anita

What the LA Times article didn’t mention to my satisfaction is why is the DA looking at these equine deaths? What would possible criminal charges be? Against who? (ie, what laws are being broken?)

Or is this just more feel good for the public?

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It’s due to the gambling component of racing. Anyone doing anything against the rules to improve the chance of winning will be charged with race fixing and various related things. And the FBI will get involved due to simulcasting.

The soot and ash theory is interesting, but:

  1. Wouldn’t that have shown up in testing if it was present in large enough quantities to affect the horses?
  2. You’d think that soot and ash would also be landing all over everything, and people would be cleaning it off their cars and equipment and stuff, and have noticed it.

Wonder if an edit got skipped…

Now racing will resume March 29

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/232572/racing-set-to-resume-march-29-at-santa-anita

Still trying to understand how these breakdowns would be related to race fixing or related. Maybe it’s just too early in the morning :slight_smile:

Ash would show up if it was tested for. Maybe not on the radar screen to look for it. I suspect when the fires were burning that ash was landing all over everything and people were cleaning it off their cars and equipment and did notice it. Probably didn’t give any thought to any possible, if this is the case, impact long term to the racing surface when mixed with rain.

And Santa Anita is a TRPB member track.

I’m starting to like the soot and ash theory. There might be just enough for the surfact to LOOK okay, but not really BE okay…

(I am not an engineer)

Ok I went to the site and the first thing I see is a picture of a couple they claim is Ron and Debbie McAnally,

Um no–this is Ron and Debbie

https://www.gregsonfoundation.com/gregson-cocktail-fundraiser.htm

If they can’t get that right, it makes me wonder about the rest of it.

Incidentally I live here about 10 miles from Santa Anita and to the immediate West so closer to the big fires of last year than the track is. If I went another 10 miles west, I did see particulate ash. It would leave a fine residue on my car. Those pictures are either from San Luis Rey (80 miles south) and one might be one of the small fires that occasionally burn in the San Gabriels. But that has happened since the dawn of time,

Color me skeptical.

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Thanks for sharing your firsthand experience. This is where my skepticism lies. Regardless of the chemical properties of wood ash, a fine residue isn’t going to be enough to change the overall composition of 500 tons of deep sand. Even if the wood ash bonds with the clay at the surface of the track, you’re talking about a negligible amount of change to the total amount of footing. Then when you consider that the footing is harrowed and turned over multiple times a day, those potentially altered molecules are going to be mixed in to a sea of sand. I obviously was not there, so I may be overlooking an obvious point, but I can’t rationalize fine dustings of ash impacting such a large volume of footing as extensively as the article claims.

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I’m a non-racing horse person, who simply loves TBs and following racing, but just wanted to comment and say this thread has been informative.

Thanks to the knowledgeable folks who have spoken up here and helped provide info to folks like me, so we can sort out some of the PR from actual facts related to this situation

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What I know about racing I’ve learned on this thread. I do appreciate the informed discussion here.

What I do know about is PR. Worked in it for 30+ years. I was amazed that PETA agreed to a quote in the SA release. I continue to wonder what concession they extracted in exchange for it. Some of local news here is saying that Lasix is a pain-masking drug. When I heard that last night - I thought someone needs to call that channel. It sounded to me like PETA or a similar issue-based org. is reshaping some of the debate. It is important to counter that without going on the defense. SA or some other racing org needs to prepare a Q&A backgrounder on the issues for reporters and establish the difference between rumors and facts.

Jockey friend’s reaction to the SA release: Some horses need Lasix; crops are padded and use controlled now; trainers use NSAIDs the night before; horses are already vetted; you can be banned if caught with a syringe, etc. So, SA sounds like they’re pro-active.

What I just learned in this thread was taxpayer involved funds in racing. Would someone expand on that? How so?

The ash theory is interesting. Perhaps they’ll get a grant. I don’t give it much credence. The Woolsey fire burned west during the worst of it. That is why it burned to Malibu. For me, I continue to think that the cause of these breakdowns is not just the amount of rain but also the continuation of the rain. and that effect on the track. More is coming in this week.

I do not know what the LA County DA might find in this. I’m guessing nothing. So far, it doesn’t sound like there has been a violation of racing rules in any of the deaths. My thanks to all of you in racing that have contributed here. I’ve learned a lot from you.

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