Scalpers and quarter boots

[BroncoMo]

Do these actually work? I seem to find conflicting info on them. Have a horse who pulls shoes during turnout, even with bellboots. Currently in Thin Line Gator boots. He pulled a shoe a few weeks ago and took off a large chunk of medial hoof wall. Had him shod and he pulled it again within 24 hours. In to the stall he went. Pretty sure he’d rather kill himself than stay in a stall all the time (the horse is a complete train wreck, without putting him in an unhappy situation). So I put him on the driveway for a few minutes to graze; he pushed the turbo button and pulled the opposite shoe. Not nearly as much damage, but still.

Before anyone suggests changing farriers (which always comes up on these threads), he simply has a very big step and only pulls shoes when he’s being a total dip.

Do any of the scalper or quarter boot options actually protect the heel of the shoe? I was going to buy a set of Acavallo no turn boots, thinking I could pull them down under the heel of the shoe, but reviews don’t look great for turn out situations. I’ve done double bell boots in the past that seemed to work, but at that time he did not already have a compromised section of hoof wall that doesn’t want to hold a nail (filled with epoxy).

I see on the other recent bell boot thread that someone suggested putting the smaller bell boot on top to keep the boots down, but his Gator Boots have already seemed to aggravate some side bone in his cornet band. So I hesitate to put on a boot that may constrict there. Which the no turns above may do as well.

I really just need a heel bumper/protector that doesn’t seem to exist. HELP.

[sk_pacer]

Quarter boots MIGHT help but they are a bitch to pull on; scalpers are for hind feet to protect the front of the pastern on an in-line trotter so they wont do any good

[TheHunterKid90]

Yes quarter boots work but hard to get on and off and if hit then can still pop off…coming from a reiner, get yourself a roll or duct tape and a roll of electrical tape. Pull a length of duct tape out and twirl it til it’s rolled…then fold it until you have about a 4" wad of duct tape, wedge between heel and shoe and secure with electrical tape around the wad and front of hoof. Top off with a no turn bell boot to protect the bulbs…i have never ever ever lost a shoe but taping the foot and topping with bell boot

[TheHunterKid90]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/horseandrider.com/.amp/health-and-advice/save-shoe-54486

this is a decent illustration

[PNWjumper]

Nope, neither will do anything for a legit shoe puller. Only thing I’ve ever found that does work in a turnout environment are shoe secures: www.shoesecure.com

Under saddle the best thing I’ve found are these: https://www.equusport.com/product/quarter-bell-boots/

[Jungle_Monkey]

My horse is also a very big mover. Bell boots only work to protect the bulbs at the back.

I tried quarter boots and they definitely don’t work in the mud at all.

I just ordered these to try so no input yet. https://www.doversaddlery.com/grab-boots/p/X1-04267/

I also bought a pair of the acavallo no turns to try but haven’t received them so no input yet.

So far my best method is: take a bit of vet wrap so that it is the width and depth of the gap between the shoe and hoof at the back and roll it up and put it in place then another piece of vet wrap around the hoof so that it’s also around the bottom of the shoe a bit (this is so it rides up the hoof less) and then a couple of rounds of duct tape the same way.

[Jungle_Monkey]

https://www.bitofbritain.com/Grab-Boot-p/937045.htm

These is the correct link for the grab boots I ordered.

[PNWjumper]

Jungle Monkey - those boots are not meant for turnout and will not stay in place. Nor will they help a shoe puller. You could potentially duct tape (or Tessa tape) the boots in place, but they’re still not going to stay in place long term on varied footing.

I tried everything out there to keep shoes on one horse I had. Bell boots, quarter boots, and the like are simply not meant to cover the back of the shoe. They’re meant to protect the heel bulb and sensitive areas on the back of the foot. The Acavello no-turns are the same story. I have never had those even stay in place during a show round, let alone in a field on turnout.

I do like regular no-turn bell boots (like Professional Choice no-turn ballistic boots), and use those for my “might pull a shoe once every few shoeing cycle” type horses. But for one who is a legit shoe puller, there is no boot on the market that will stay in place for turnout AND protect the shoe - with the exception of Shoe Secures.