It’s in the thread about re-rides.
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Well what a spaz thing to happen, I hit reply and it jumped threads. Very strange! Well I’m going to delete it from here.
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Could the insurance company sue USEF? Or would they have agreed to not pursue as well?
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That’s what I was thinking
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this.
I have cared for horses since I was 14 years old in some capacity or another and they all become mine in that I truly care for and about them. To be helpless to stop what was happening and then killed that horse would be unbearable.
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Think it was already mentioned upthread but many horses in the lofty (6 or 7 figure) price ranges are not commercially insured…the annual premiums would be suffocating. Far more than any vet bill.
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^^^^ This over and over and over…. I don’t know how I would forgive myself, even if I had no fault in it.
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I’m sorry Branscomb didn’t pursue legal action and make them pay for this unnecessary death. A change in policy and an admission that the injection probably caused the death costs them nothing. And what about the vet, why isn’t he (she?) suspended or lose their license?
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Wasn’t the veterinarian a Spanish vet? Not licensed in the USA?
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I don’t know anything about the vet, but surely there are suspensions or loss of license in other countries? If a Spanish vet can practice in Paris then why can’t they be penalized in some way? The death didn’t take place in the USA so why does that matter?
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The way it was explained to me that the “vet” involved in this incident was not a vet in the way we think of them in the US. The standards and education are much different, so more like a PA or maybe a nurse practitioner qualifications wise.
Although I kind of don’t think it’s right to just make him the scapegoat since USEF was using g him for his license , but I guess that’s how things go
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The vet was from Mexico. Just because they are called by a different name in another country, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be up to US standards. I believe @Ghazzu explained this earlier. It’s like Doctors have different titles in the UK than they do in NA. Doesn’t mean they aren’t good to go when they move here.
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I’m not sure that’s true. I had a doctor years ago who was a surgeon in Italy, but when he moved to the US he wasn’t willing to undergo the additional schooling he would need to practice as a surgeon in the US, so he could only practice as a GP. And I had a small animal vet who took tests in three different states in the US as soon as he graduated from vet school, because each state had a different test and he wasn’t sure where he wanted to practice. It seems logical that a vet from another country might need additional certification to practice in a country other than the one they went to school in. Although for the Olympics I’m sure there must be some type of temporary certification to treat all horses. But it was the vet who made the decision to give the injection that killed the horse so why shouldn’t he be punished?
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You were seriously misinfromed then.
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MVZ (Medico Veterinario Zootecnista) is the degree awarded to veterinary school graduates in Colombia, Guatemala, and Mexico.
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To be eligible for a veterinary license in Mexico one must:
- Be a citizen of Mexico or have a valid visa that allows you to work in Mexico.
- Graduate from a veterinary school that is accredited by the Mexican government.
- Pass the National Veterinary Licensing Examination (NVLE).
- Complete a one-year internship in Mexico.
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They are considered “veterinarians” and/or “Doctors” by the AVMA., along with many other veterinary degrees from various countries.
Dr. Ulibarri is on the FEI “Permitted Treating Veterinarian” list.
He is an official veterinarian with the Mexican Equestrian Federation.
He is a current member of the Mexican equine veterinarians association.
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The 3 different tests would be state veterinary boards. they range from the non-existant to the ridiculous.
When I graduated, the “exam” was oral, and I was asked such thorny questions as “name some breeds of goats”.
They stopped me before I ran out of goat breeds to name.
At the end, I asked them WTF?
I was told that the main root cause of complaints from owners was poor communication, and that the Board felt that what was then the National Board Exam and the associated Clinical Competency Exam were a thorough test of our veterinary knowledge, and they just needed to see if we could communicate.
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Some states ask questions pertinent to locally important diseases, poisonous plants, etc.
Historically, some state boards used the exam to throttle competition, but I think getting dragged into court has put an end to that by and large.
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“To practice as a veterinarian in the United States, you must have either graduated from a veterinary school accredited by the AVMA Council on Education(https://www.avma.org/education/center-for-veterinary-accreditation/accredited-veterinary-colleges) (AVMA COE®) or successfully completed an educational equivalency certification program such as that administered by the AVMA’s [Educational Commission for Foreign Veterinary Graduates® (ECFVG®)avma.org/education/ecfvg).”
ETA: the NBE/CCT has been replaced by NAVLE (North American Veterinary Licensing Examination) which needs to be taken and passed in order to apply for licensure by the various states.
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This was what I was responding to when I mentioned the veterinarian may have been Spanish (Mexican it seems). Who would make that call? It was a US horse, would USEF be the governing body to file a complaint? I don’t really see how…
I guess that would depend on if a complaint was filed with the board where he is licensed.
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Thank you for clarifying
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It was mentioned either up thread here–or maybe I saw it on Diva–that the USET/USEF vet in Riyadh regularly treated horses in Florida (during WEF?), and was referred by USET vet Tim Ober. It’s my belief this was not just some random vet from Mexico, or the Mexico team. Seems he should have been educated in Selenium use…or NON-USE!!! But, with so much crap in that injection…could’ve neen any or all pf the ingredients.
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Thank you…I had not read that.
