Andy.Smaga
Is there a general consensus about the rideability, trainability and temperament of his progeny?
I know event horses need to have courage and forwardness, but how would his stack up against, say, Yarland’s Summertime?
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Andy.Smaga
I know event horses need to have courage and forwardness, but how would his stack up against, say, Yarland’s Summertime?[/QUOTE]
I’m not into eventer, but it’s believed that Sarastro’s progeny is easier to deal with than Yarland’s Summertime’s progeny.
He is known for boldness, scope, balance and suplessness (?), he will be a good mate with small mares with blood.
Thanks, andy. We do appreciate the information. 
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That’s not an index in the same way as Germany or Holland. Alligator Fontaine holds the record for ISO number (which is what we’re talking about here) at 190, so 146 isn’t high or extraordinary, but Sarastro is a super stallion. I think Nasrullah appears in both Sarastro and Alligator’s pedigrees.
Sarastros motherline is pure anglo arab, which is normally a word which those who don’t know run away from screaming, but it’s an important studbook for eventing. His sire line is mostly tb, but there’s something else in there which I don’t know.[/QUOTE]
Just to put things in perspective, because you say that an iso of 146 is not even high, the average is at 100, and iso over 140 represents the top 2.5% performers in France. It has pretty much became the reference in evaluating a stallions progeny.
Thanks, Cumano, for helping put things in perspective.
Following a wise advice that Tom from this board sent me by MP, I wish to precise that when I say that ISO 140 became the standard to evaluate the production of a particuler stallion, I didn’t imply that it was an index based on the performance of a horses production.
ISO is an index based on a horses own performances. However, when people wish to put names to exemplify the quality of the production, foals of a stallion with an ISO over 140 or the % of foals of a particular stallion with competition records having an iso over 140 are becomming more and more the reference.
Would ISO 140 also be the reference standard for event horses?
I can see it for SJ, but so many more things go into event horses than just the jump.
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Following a wise advice that Tom from this board sent me by MP, I wish to precise that when I say that ISO 140 became the standard to evaluate the production of a particuler stallion, I didn’t imply that it was an index based on the performance of a horses production.
ISO is an index based on a horses own performances. However, when people wish to put names to exemplify the quality of the production, foals of a stallion with an ISO over 140 or the % of foals of a particular stallion with competition records having an iso over 140 are becomming more and more the reference.[/QUOTE]
It is a little bit of topic and might be discussed as a spinoff subject. However I will answer as how I see it. The ISO (stand for Indice de saut d’obstacle or Sowjumping Index) is a purely performance based index. It tries to put into a number the consistancy of a horses performance in showjumping. It would be long to try to explain the whole calculation (as not many people including myself understand it well) but it includes no genetic or transmission input whatsoever.
An index like that one also exists for Eventing performers, the ICC (Indice de concours complet).
Therefore, you are right to say it has no real value for breeding in general other than exposing the horses sport career or his production sport career. The genetic value index used in France is the BLUP. I do not understand very well this one either, as most of the people, but this one tried to include all the progenys performance and the consistency of the stallions production.
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Andy.Smaga
Is there a general consensus about the rideability, trainability and temperament of his progeny?
I know event horses need to have courage and forwardness, but how would his stack up against, say, Yarland’s Summertime?[/QUOTE]
Summersong has a successful 4* stallion son.
I don’t know about Summersong’s temperment other than he would get very strong crosscountry. Marie-Christine Duroy rode him and now stands him.
If I remember correctly, Summersong doesn’t freeze. So is not available in the US. Don’t know about his son…and I think he was leader after the dressage phase of the Badminton this year…but didn’t fair as well after xc. But still a very nice horse!
bornfree, you’re right, I edited my first post! I have not been keeping up with eventing as much the last couple of years.
I think you’re right about Summersong not freezing, and that people interested in those bloodlines have been using his sire Fleetwater Opposition. Still, it’s nice to see that Summersong has a successful stallion son.
Summersong was a spectacular jumping horse in competition and a joy to watch.
Sarastro
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Sarastro is registered Selle Français and accepted as a producer of French AA. Born May 9, 1984. He is tall: 173cm.
His mother line is AA and has 2 major AA producers with Laurier and Nithard.
He competed in showjumping his index is ISO 146 (ISO is for show jumping performances and ICC for eventing and IDR for dressage.
He was not a top jumper but a good jumper. And with lot of TB and AA blood that made him a top producer of eventer.
Sire is Nightko a tall Selle Français (174cm) with more than 90% TB, and to be complete the Demi Sang is an old SB that is now the SF studbook. (SFA and SFB are meaningless today and only SF is used today)
I have his 5 generation pedigree in PDF format but don’t know how to attach, will send the file to whom is interested.
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andy.smaga, do you still have Sarastro’s pedigree in PDF? I would be interested in getting it from you. My vet has some frozen semen stored at her clinic and is selling it at a great price and am thinking it is worth the investment!
