Black-based means either EE or Ee. It means the horse will always be a black-based color, whether bay or brown or buckskin or perlino or smoky black or several other modifications
I have taken in a lot in a short time so my head spinning I may have this all wrong.
It IS a lot of it’s your first or 2nd time delving into the color thing :lol:
Aprio has chestnut kids meaning he is Ee or not black based?
Yes, having chestnut offspring means he is Ee, but that is also black-based.
Freestyle could be worth looking at. Not a hunter stallion specifically and maybe a gamble on the chrome side, but if I believe he has had some foals end up going the hunter round and IIRC he was one that had quite a few offspring with skunk tails and rabicano ticking.
Or Jethro Tull? Also not a hunter stallion specifically and quite young, so maybe not an obvious choice, but he is quite a nice mover, a good jumper, is dark but with lots of chrome (I think he has a belly spot as well as 4 white legs and a white face), WFFS negative and even his dark-coated offspring seem to have quite a bit of white.
Prototype is another hunter stallion with lots of chrome.
Haven’t seen video of him on the flat, so he may not be the mover or type you want, but if you want interesting color look at James Alliston’s stallion Cassio’s Picasso.
If I were to breed my mare again I think Cosmeo is at the top of my list at the moment.
thank you for your assistance with color genetics, I also found this site helpful
I can’t get that calculator to work, no matter what colors I put in it said both parents were gray. I am sure it is operator error but I gave up.
“Blue” – (by Bliss) his gray mom has just two little socks and a star/snip. Neither of her parents were chrome-y
“Trixie” – (by Bliss) her mom brings a lot of white to the table: at least some white on face/all 4, and some sabino/rabicano characteristics.
That same mare (Trixie’s dam) was in foal to Apiro for this year, but she sadly lost it (separate thread). However, I am told it was a chestnut with just one or two white legs.
“April” – (by Apiro) chestnut (so should theoretically have more white than a bay) has just white on her face and one leg. Her dam was bay w/ some white on her face, no white legs.
There are some really lovely Bliss MF offspring out there, and I would strongly recommend him with just one caveat: he subtracted height in both of mine, and a few others have reported the same thing. It’s not 100% across the board, and if you have a large mare, it may actually be a good thing… just something to be aware of.
Goodness those are some NICE foals! :yes:
“April” – (by Apiro) chestnut (so should theoretically have more white than a bay) has just white on her face and one leg. Her dam was bay w/ some white on her face, no white legs.
with Apiro I think there is lower white expression, and fewer incidents of it, than Bliss (for example). Also, in this case, the dam likely has some white suppression going on, and some lines just do that.
But of the Apiro offspring I’ve seen, it also seems to be a function of Apiro not having “it” when it comes to passing on lots of white - he really needs a mare who also has lots of white. Lots of the foals from mares with little or no white also have little or no white, but the ones from mares with white to their knees and hocks, also got high white.
Thank you for sharing your babies! They are all beautiful. I love your bliss babies and the beautiful neck and shoulder on your apiro mare!
one of the mares I wanted to breed is only 16.1, the baby would be for me and I am not tall. But I would want at least 16h so thank you for information on size. How is the movement on your bliss babies? Did Bliss or Apiro improve the mares movement for hunters?
Thanks @JB!!
Bliss definitely improved the movement on both of mine. The gray is a very nice mover herself, and the gelding has a similar trot, but a better canter. The mare is 15.3, and her son is about 15.1 as a 4yo. He’s very fancy and big bodied, but definitely smaller than I was hoping for.
The chestnut mare isn’t a great mover (more dressage bred) and her filly has a much nicer hunter trot. Mom is almost 16.2, and Trixie is about 16.0 as a coming 4yo, but is butt high right now and definitely going through a spring growth spurt. I think she’ll finish about 16.1 or 16.2.
I didn’t breed the Apriro mare,so I don’t know how her dam moved. Mine isn’t a great mover (not bad, just ‘average’).
I have a Red Wine mare. She is bay like her dam. Not a ton of white, three small socks and a star. Very good brain. Very ammy friendly (that is why I bought her). Very good mover (wins the hack often in very good company). Not a 10 jumper but good enough and is definitely a hunter not a jumper. She is fancy enough to breed when I am done with her, to a nice hunter stallion. I have seen some Red Wines that I like and others I do not like at all.
How big is she? Pm me some pics!!
She’s not big, 15’3 but wide bodied and has a huge step. She has no issues getting down the 3 foot lines at the AA shows. And I rode her yesterday in 15-20 mph winds, Safe as can be.
We had a Redwine in our barn who was just lovely as a foal and won everything on the line. Not many friendly undersaddle at all, small-ish step, very mareish and quirky. Decent mover, okay jump but way too quirky to get around.
At one point I had tried unsuccessfully to breed my own mare to Redwine but Jill was a nightmare and I wouldn’t recommend going down that path at all when there are so many other nice stallions available. I also like Cosmeo quite a bit.
Yes, I have heard he himself is not big and does not throw a big step. I think I have to drop him off my list.
Cosmeo looks interesting l looked him up and saw a video of Sydney Schulman putting in a beautiful hunter round on him. I didn’t see him trot but he has spectacular form in the air!!!
For everyone shopping hunters here is a reference link with all of them!
https://www.bramasolefarms.com/stallions.html
I realize it would be difficult to get a website with info on “all” of them but this link doesn’t even include 1% of them and the info is super outdated.
Jethro Tull sounds like he might suit what you are looking for. His foals are very huntery and the majority are dark, he has a lot of white and 2 belly spots, and consistently throws lots of chrome out of mares with a decent amount of white. With solid mares chrome is about a 50/50 chance. All his babies are super laid back and take everything in stride, they are not of riding age yet but I’m betting most will be the born broke type just like Jethro is.
http://www.kvf.ca/breeding/stallions/11-breeding/stallions/8-jethro
I would also consider Sir Gregory. I love him and if I was planning to breed I’d look at him for sure.
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