Shivers Success Stories?

Say that five times fast.

Yes, I realize that shivers is overall a pretty ambiguous disease process. But I’m looking for management tips from anyone else who’s dealt with it. I have an absolutely stunning WB gelding who tends to hyperflex the hind legs. It only manifests during times of stress for this horse (Which is frequent, because he has definitive gaps in his young horse ground education.) My major struggle right now is figuring out how to get his hind feet handelable. He works sound. He backs normally in diagonal pairs. But I desperately need to get his hind feet to the point where I can pick them up, pick them, and have them trimmed.

He is currently managed on a high fat diet (2 lb coolstance, 2 lb omega plus, 2 oz Quiessence in am, 2 oz of Mega Mag PM, 16,000 IU natural vitamin E daily). He is out from 8a to, well, as long as I can comfortably keep him out. I lunge him for at least 40 minutes a day, even if it’s just walking and poles for an hour when it’s really hot. He goes on the theraplate s much as I can get him on, which is usually 20 minutes 4-5 days a week.

I’ve read about using dorm on these guys for farrier work. I’ve ordered a bottle but it hasnt come in yet. I’ve only had this horse since Feb, and he is progressing well. I know time and strength are going to be big things. But has anyone got any tips that have worked for them firsthand?

Maybe reach out to Karen Lipp? IIRC she had a horse with shivers.

My chiropractor recently suggested we try feeding some sort of oil to the shivers horse in our barn. She has another shivers client who has made significant improvement after adding a couple of ounces of oil to his feed. That horse also was an issue for the farrier and apparently the difference is night and day. The horse in our barn is definitely a challenge for our farrier and I would like to give it a try but have not discussed with his owner yet. It is certainly worth a try!

I have only worked with one horse with shivers. He had issues backing and with picking up hind feet. Interestingly his owner and her friend (who rode him a bit) had issues, but neither I nor the farrier really did. I think the difference was I would pinch his chestnut and then firmly grab his leg when he reflexively lifted it. I just followed his leg wherever he lifted it until he relaxed.

Good luck with your horse!

Any certain type of oil? I was giving him canola very briefly, but it was just not practical as I bag my grain and it was just messy. So I switched to the Omega Plus, which is a flax based pellet

High quality vitamin E oil is very helpful for horses with he hind leg shivering symptom. Something like Elevate WS, but relatively high doses are needed to be effective.

As far as handling, time and patience is what it takes for picking out feet. Allow the horse to put the foot down whenever he needs to and don’t punish / correct him for the behaviour. It may take 3 or 4 tries to get the hoof picked out and that’s ok.

I definitely suggest sedation for the farrier, to keep horse and humans safe. On my guy the Dorm gel just isn’t effective enough. He needs to be quite heavily sedated and we use a cocktail of Dorm, Torbugesic and Rompun IV.

Some people have success giving bute for a couple of days before the farrier comes -
definiteky worth a try.

Thank you! He is on UltraCruz Natural Vitamin E. It’s not oil, but is a quality product. I wonder how the bute affects them. Either way, it’s worth a shot!

I have known two horses with shivers. Both were outstandingly rideable. The fitter they got the less the problem appeared.

And both, with time and patience, allowed their feet to be handled. It was a case of asking, waiting, and asking again.

So sorry you are dealing with this. I have not had good luck with shivers and would not wish it on anyone. It is a very frustrating disease and it is harder on the horse than I think people realize. Since it doesn’t always present “obvious” painful symptoms, people don’t realize how much it affects the horse mentally. I firmly believe that the disorder is painful for the horse. I have seen some huge changes in personality in the horses with shivers I’ve known. They can get really miserable, really fast, in part because they’re compromised, and I also believe the muscle wastage/atrophy causes residual pain from compensation elsewhere.

Shivers isn’t really ambiguous - it is a progressive disorder, and gets worse overtime. What’s ambiguous is the rate of progression - some horses decline much more rapidly than others. Bute should not really affect or change their affliction if they have true shivers, but it’ll help if the horse has other issues that are presenting like shivers.

What do you mean by hyperflexes the hind legs? Only while backing up, or while going forward? Going forward would make me look into other reasons for the neurological issue, especially given his age.

What works best managing a horse with shivers is putting it on the following regime:

  • full 24/7 turnout. A shivers horse without full turnout will never do as well as one out 24/7.
  • high vit E dose (8000 IU seems to be the norm)
  • high fat low starch diet

The reasoning for full 24/7 turnout is that it allows them access to grass, but it also really conditions their bodies and toplines, which is tremendously helpful for horses with shivers who, eventually, will start muscle wastage. Having that extra bit of condition will help them down the road. A fit shivers horse is, in my experience, physically and mentally sounder than an unfit one. Keeping their condition up by turnout & grass has made a night/day difference.

One thing I have noticed about horses with shivers is they do much worse if you make a big deal about them not being great with their hind end. When you ask to pick it up, they’ll almost always snatch it – and that’s okay, don’t follow with it and force it in a specific spot, they are snatching because they need to stabilize the limb – wait for them to almost put the foot down, and then try to pick it. If that means you’re picking the hoof while it’s almost flat on the ground, that is okay too. In my experience, horses with shivers are aware they are having trouble with that limb and get very defensive over it, so you’ll need to always approach it calm and quietly, and not make a big fuss or punish them for it - (which I probably don’t need to tell you).

There does not always seem to be a correlation between their difficulty holding the hind end, and their coordination undersaddle - some horses can barely lift their hind legs yet are competing quite well. You will know it is time to retire once you notice general atrophy of the hind end & thighs - at that point the disease will have progressed enough that US work is unfair to the horse because they lack the appropriate muscling to do the work. Generally, horses with shivers are not super sound to begin with and can/will be held or spun at events here.

Keep an eye on your horse’s hind end condition, and his tail - those are your most obvious signs, IME, that shivers is progressing. Some shivers horses are rideable but make sure you are not taking advantage of the horse’s good nature - most horses are very stoic, and don’t let on that they are in pain while in work. If they are striding short, or having difficulty with easy movements (IE, picking up the right lead, extremely tight/tense) then they are unsound and should not be ridden.

The biggest issue when it comes to riding shivers horses comes from the fact that shivers rarely produces an obvious leg lameness, so people ride the horse even though it is uncomfortable. Don’t be one of those people - assess the horse critically - a horse can be lame and not be limping on a leg.

You may want to talk to your farrier about shivers and make sure the farrier understands the disease - however, some owners do blame shivers for Dobbin’s bad hind leg manners, so you will need to arm yourself with some concrete knowledge because if farriers had a nickle for every time they heard “Dobbin’s just got XYZ that’s why he’s so rude” they’d be able to retire at 35… Some farriers are better than others when it comes to not taking it personally, but some do not want to work with a horse with a cerebellum disorder and who could blame them - the horse could end their livelihood with an accidental fall.

Another thing some owners have done, and you need to talk to your farrier about this, is rasp a little hoof between trims - nothing drastic but enough to keep flares from happening, as some people prefer longer trim cycles because it is so hard on the horse. The farrier will need to show you this and you should not be doing it without his/her instruction first, but I have seen some boarders/clients take this route with their shivers horses with some good success. Buy a jack - teaching the horse to put their weight on the jack while you work around it really helps – and, some farriers, mine included, will keep the hoof on the ground while they trim it. It’s a major PITA for the farrier but finding one that understands the disease will make it much better for the horse. Talk to your farrier first because some will not shoe horses on dorm and I do not blame them.

The biggest issue is shoeing behind; ultimately, this tends to end the horse’s riding career before the actual disease does.

My other concern is, I think 40m of lunging every day is way too much - especially for a horse with shivers. Shivers is neuromuscular and lunging is very hard and repetitive on the body, which is something you want to avoid in a horse with a neuromuscular disease - exercise intolerance is not uncommon in shivers horses in light of this.

One more thing - my experience has been that shivers seems to come hand with PSSM and MFM. I don’t think the disorders are linked, necessarily, but I have seen several shivers horses also have PSSM or MFM - something to consider.

Good luck.

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This was super informative. Thank you Beowulf!

Yes, she said any kind of oil will do.

1.5cc of dorm and $200 gets two front shoes on my shivers / PSSM2 horse… he has shivers in all 4 legs, and my farrier can bench 200# which let’s face it really helps… :sigh:

i found clicker training (positive reinforcement) really helped with picking up legs. He needs to be standing on mats or anything but concrete. He needs to be able to move his head wherever it needs to be for balance (no cross tying while feet being done). You cannot just reach down and grab a foot: we have a system and he relies on it. He needs to be prepared and I need to be calm. Throw a load of stress or a pissy fairer in and it’s a disaster. I’ll never be able to get him shod without me being there - most people assume he’s being a jerk or try to strong arm him and it does not work.

Good luck!

Thank you all so much for the responses!

Beowulf, I would love to do 24/7 turnout for him, but unfortunately it’s simply not possible. One, I’m in MD and the summers here are hot and BUGGY. I tried full day turnout and the horse worried himself to no end. He dropped all of his weight and the symptoms got worse. He is turned out from 8 till noon, lunged at the walk, and then currently goes out for a few more hours in the PM. I would like to work him towards overnight turnout, but he has made a habit of running through the tape fencing. I also have an equicizer that he will be trained to use once he’s a bit more civilized.

The horse hyperflexes when going forward, and his “bad days” where his symptoms are worse and he tends to be hypersensitive to touch seem to occur when there are barometric swings.

Additional game changer: I got this horse the first week of Feb. He was diagnosed shortly after with EPM. We treated with a month of Marquis, and a month of Rebalance. Treatment ended about three weeks ago.

How old is your horse? I knew someone with an imported Negro son who was diagnosed with shivers as a 4 year old. She was very patient and I think did the vitamin E and fat regime (she listened to whatever her vet said), but her farriers always took their time with this horse. I knew him as an 8-9 year old and he was MUCH improved from regular training (half-day turnout). Still sticky for the farrier but strength seemed to help him balance better (she showed me how he had difficulty lifting his feet and balancing). This horse went on to do I2. She said he improved with time and work.

I don’t know how atypical their story is, maybe very atypical.

i have a Negro 6 yr old w shivers. I do not know if there is a proven genetic component but would be interested in hearing of both sides of the bloodline?

I have a shivers gelding out of a mare with Shivers. So it seems to be somewhat genetic.

Success Story: My gelding’s mom was an alternate on the Dressage Olympic team. My guy has show FEI & I know of a jumper with it…his was so mad that they could not trim his hind feet with out laying him down, but he could jump the Grand Prix. They did his hind feet 1x a year

He is four. We are only two months into my owning him, and he was mostly unhandled. This is all new territory for both of us

That is absolutely wild!

MSU is researching the poltential genetic link in shivers and is actually looking for participants to provide video of their horse and DNA samples. There is also quite a bit of useful information about shivers on this site: https://cvm.msu.edu/research/faculty-research/valberg-laboratory/information-on-shivers

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