shoeing for an off track

If one has a horse in and you see it’s going to be an off track, how soon ahead of time to you change shoes, if you are going to?

Also, what’s the difference between heels, caulks & stickers? When one uses a shoe that has a sticker & a heel, I guess the sticker goes on the outside? Are those used often or just heels on both sides?

If you are at at race track, and you have one in for the next day, if the shoes are already good, do you usually walk the horse over by on the shoer for a nail check still? Does the trainer/assistant make the shoeing/shoe check appointments or does the groom?

(I used to be a SB groom & am wondering how these things are handled with TBs.). Thanks.

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If one has a horse in and you see it’s going to be an off track, how soon ahead of time to you change shoes, if you are going to? [/QUOTE]Usually as soon as they can get the plater over to their barn to do it. Some do it last minute, some are more timely. Just depends on how the barn is run.

Also, what’s the difference between heels, caulks & stickers? When one uses a shoe that has a sticker & a heel, I guess the sticker goes on the outside? Are those used often or just heels on both sides?

What looks like a caulk is referred to on the track as a block. If a sticker is used at all it’s on the lateral or outside. As soon as race is over the groom usually was charged with twisting or breaking them off with a wrench or pliers. To not do so can be pretty hard on horses. Stickers are seldom seen anymore. They seem to have fallen out of favor in the last 20 years or so. Block and sticker combinations it’s been even longer. Haven’t seen them on any horse in more years than I can remember however, they still need to be forged to pass the platers Union test.

If you are at at race track, and you have one in for the next day, if the shoes are already good, do you usually walk the horse over by on the shoer for a nail check still? Does the trainer/assistant make the shoeing/shoe check appointments or does the groom?

Ok, on a TB track trainers are the least hands on of any equine discipline I know of. Many of them have never even ridden a horse in their lives. As a result they’re surrounded by an entourage of people who do everything for them but wipe their butts. (and some might need that done for them too) Part of the job of a track shoer is to first grab an overnight sheet in the morning as he arrives. Check for any entries from any of his outfits. If he sees one from his string in that day he high tails it over to that barn to check the horse or make any last minute fixes. This is how he takes care of his outfit. The first time he doesn’t do it and they have a shoeing problem before a race, more than likely the shoer will get the sack. Keeping an eye on that stuff and covering the situation is part of a track shoers job.

(I used to be a SB groom & am wondering how these things are handledvwith TBs.). Thanks.

Is really a whole different world. Is like comparing football to hockey. Completely different sports with about the only real thing in common being that it happens on a track with horses. SB guys have shops that the horse is brought to. Usually the trainer is breathing down the guys neck watching the shoeing taking careful note of measurements, angles, shoestyles, weights etc.When not doing that they’ll be out riding in a jog cart watching how the horse goes for themselves. 'Nuther words, they actually train horses for a living.

TB trainers don’t know or care much about shoeing. If they’re at the track at all they’ll be on a cell phone most of the day saying whatever they have to say to keep an owner paying. Platers don’t use shops. They typically run from stall to stall as fast as they can getting as much done as they can fast as possible with an impatient groom tapping their foot wanting to get done and out of there. A SB barn judges a shoer by how well he does his job. TB people judge him by how fast he gets them done. It’s a much different working environment.

Wow Sonofasalior, I disagree with so much of that I don’t even know where to start, so I won’t.

Thanks so very, very, very music SoS!!! I can’t thank you enough for all the information and your time & energy put into your reply. I’m studying & digesting your info with lots of gratitude. I apologize for any ignorance/too basic of questions. As said, I’ve had no exposure this area, am much more familiar with swedges, half-rounds & toe weights.

Are you in the US? Is the platers union the same as the Journeymans Farrier Union? Do we call tb shoers here “platers”? Again, huge thanks!

Laurierace, I totally agree with you! I was waiting for someone else to speak up. I was insulted on so many levels. At least I don’t need help wiping lol.

I spent time on both STB and TB tracks and yes, there is a difference in how shoers are judged. Not every TB farrier but a few of them are 20 min wonders and I’ve seen a lot of farriers shape the foot to the shoe. I have seen some amazing TB farriers who do amazing work, but they normally work for good trainers and can be hard to get. Most TB trainers now are “Cell Phone” trainers, who it is their job to keep the barn full, it is up to the 2nd trainers to do the actual work.

Our barn, there was a board where if a horse needed shoes, you put their name on the board. We had a calender and it was my job as shed row boss to keep the gate board, sheath cleaning board (don’t ask, long story), and shoe board. I kept most on a 4 week schedule and I’d personally go over their feet/shoes 3 days before race and every day leading up to race day to make sure the shoes were tight and everything looked good. I worked for a “Big Name Trainer” and had a “Big Named Farm” as our main client so we had some great farriers who actually did good work.

STB people are so anal over shoes, angles, and weight (I had a trotter who had shoes that weighed in grams) that it is a lot of art and science. We had farriers that took an hour or so per horse just to get everything right. I was amazed at the level of farrier and foot care on the STB track.

Now, for my horses that are coming off the track, I pull their shoes, do a more proper trim ie take off toes to prepare them for life after racing. STBs in non racing homes do not need those angles or amount of toe and TBs need to get those racing plates off and ease them into barefoot. I was able to take most of the TBs home first for 30 days to get them to come down, and grow sole so they can transition to either barefoot or normal shoes.

TBs can have nice feet with proper diet, exercise, and farrier care. Yes, there are a few lines out there who come with bad feet, but most can go either barefoot, booted, or just shoes in front.

Most of my STBs are barefoot and only booted for rough terrain or if we are on a lot of asphalt.

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Thanks so very, very, very music SoS!!! I can’t thank you enough for all the information and your time & energy put into your reply. I’m studying & digesting your info with lots of gratitude. I apologize for any ignorance/too basic of questions. As said, I’ve had no exposure this area, am much more familiar with swedges, half-rounds & toe weights.[/QUOTE] Standardbred shoeing has changed a lot in the last 20 or so years. The stuff you remember is still there but now is a lot more aluminum, plastic, glue etc. Not as much weight. The breed has improved so much they can be shod much lighter now and are a lot easier to keep on gait. Anything still goes in the way of shoeing though, wheras TBs are pretty much limited in what one can do by shoeing rules in different jurisdictions

Are you in the US?
Yes I am

Is the platers union the same as the Journeymans Farrier Union?
International Union of Journeyman Horseshoers yes. They now have all horseshoers in their ranks. Is not just for track guys anymore. www.ijhu.org
Do we call tb shoers here “platers”? Again, huge thanks!
Plater is a term for running horse shoers. The Standardbred guys don’t use that word. They usually call themselves Blacksmiths.
The term “Farrier” is not usually used in racing circles for various reasons.

Well, that was a strange & funny autocorrect - music!?! Should have read “much” obviously. Apologies.

“Platers” - hmmm? I don’t know if I’m feeling that term. I never would have thought.