Shopping Barns and Pony Club costs

We are looking for a new riding program /barn and possibly Pony Club for my daughter. We visited our nearest Pony Club Center today and it was super nice. Extremely education focused and on safely progressing as a rider which both are important to me. They don’t do shows and even in Pony Club they only do one of the “shows” in September then the Quiz competition in March (I could be off on terminology). This place is mainly focused on horse science and education. I thought this would bother dd but she quickly saw the silver lining in that… Surprised me even. She said she mostly just wants to ride and is not so concerned about showing. Also this barn does not sell/trade/buy horses as part of their business model which is something that is appealing as well.

HOWEVER, I think we found the most expensive Pony Club! Was told today that the pony club unmounted 2 hr meetings are $75/ each.

Need to get pricing of everything else involved but a quick Google search makes me think that itself is steep?

Trying to do pro con list with my dd after each barn visit and help determine what is important to her as a student.

Her quick priority list:

  • do-able financially
    -a good fit

This kid just wants to ride wherever mom and dad will let her.

Need to get pricing of everything else involved but a quick Google search makes me think that itself is steep?

could say that but I found the cost to be closer to attempting to fill the Grand Canyon with $100 bills… BUT want you spend is purely discretionary to what you want and more so the crowd you run with

we never did “pony club” was not aware they charged per meeting. We had Morgan horses, the Youth Clubs did not charge to attend. Our club did money raising projects to pay for group trips…those kids could make a lot of money as they wanted to go everywhere


Quiz competition in March (I could be off on terminology)

our kids did both the Morgan Youth Bowl competitions and the 4H quiz things … they were recruited by teams as they knew the facts… they had thousands of flash cards they had made

I would perhaps check with the national PC office to see what’s the norm. Our barn does PC but I have no idea what it costs. I would think it’s pretty affordable though. A lot will depend on facilities cost I suppose. Our PC gets space for free.

For Pony Club, national dues for 2020 are $155 to join for the first time or $145 to renew.

In our region (and I presume some if not all other regions), there are regional dues. Ours are $45 annually.

Those dues get you the national organization, access to the web site, a print magazine. In our region, the regional dues seem to be used to cover costs associated with running the region and to slightly subsidize the cost of some of the regional rallies and events.

Then there are club dues and fees which are set by individual clubs and I am sure are all over the map. I am part of a tiny club that has six active members: four adults and two youth. We usually try to have two mounted meetings and one unmounted meeting per month. Our dues are $90 per quarter, and they typically cover the cost of paying instructors for mounted lessons and club overhead. In the past we also paid an instructor (usually a high level PC member) for unmounted lessons but have moved away from that as all our members are pretty strong in basic knowledge.

I have heard of other clubs that charge per meeting - mounted or unmounted. Then there are other clubs that fundraise so the dues are not as much - lots of our local clubs host a horse show or schooling horse trials and make pretty decent money.

The cost of participating in the mounted rallies in our region is not insignificant either - not as expensive as rated shows but definitely more than schooling or 4-H shows.

Bottom line - I think you will find considerable variation in the cost of the Pony Club experience, but from what I know, $75 for an unmounted meeting seems to be on the expensive end of the range.

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We never paid for Pony Club meetings, but we also came from 4-H backgrounds where meetings are free, held in homes, township halls. Money was involved for materials like books, teaching packets, things used to create projects might have a charge. I taught a lot of lessons, did demonstrations, then had the kids practice their skills on our horses in both Pony Club and 4-H. They all had their own animals to use these skills on at home. We attended learning Clinics where the kids learned many things under the eyes of older members or leaders. Charge would be minimal, pot luck lunch, beverages, paper plates or they brought a sack lunch.

Are the meeting speakers brought in to teach the lessons? Non-Club member speakers? Refreshments provided? Any room rental costs involved? Otherwise the cost seems rather high! I know other Pony Clubs in the state did things differently, perhaps you are in the high-rent area where all things horse related cost much more.

a “Riding Center” base Pony Club does not appear to be a traditional Pony Club but a business that has aligned itself with USPC and is handled differently

A Riding Center is a facility with which USPC has entered a contractual agreement to offer the Pony Club curriculum and program. The Center Administrator, possibly along with an Assistant Center Administrator, is appointed by the facility’s owner or operator to be responsible for the Pony Club programming within their business. The Center Administrator and Assistant Center Administrator may be employees of the business who are paid for their time. In addition, most centers have a core group of parents that want to be involved in their child’s activities, and will happily volunteer to help. However, unlike a club, parent involvement in a centers not a requirement for the administration of the Pony Club program.

Facilities need to have an established riding lesson program, have the physical resources, and the administrative ability to offer the Pony Club program. The current instruction provided and practices in place should be supportive of Pony Club’s mission, standards and expectations.

https://www.ponyclub.org/Discover/StartClubCenter.aspx

but… I still am taken back at $75 cost per student per meeting unless there is a cost per “student” that belongs to the USPC as a franchise fee?

maybe the cost is set because the Center is seeing this not as a service but a baby setting fee since parent involvement is not mandated

$75 for an unmounted meeting seems quite steep. I don’t recall ever paying for an unmounted meeting; heck, our lessons were only $20 and they were taught by accomplished trainers. I was in a traditional club, though, and our unmounted meetings were held in someone’s barn or a member’s house, depending on whether we needed horses. Perhaps at a PC riding center, they treat it more like a paid class.

Pony Club is a fantastic experience and resource. IMO, there are some benefits to the traditional club structure. It allows for exposure to and collaboration with the local horse community that may not be possible at an insular club/facility. As a teenager in Pony Club, I made tons of connections to local riders, trainers, and professionals that were very helpful in networking as an adult. Being in a club with a mix of kids from different barns (and some who kept their horses at home) broadened my horsey world view and allowed me to see and try out lots of things that I wouldn’t have if I’d only been at my “home base”.

I would also also suggest keeping an open mind to competition. Rallies are about a lot more than just the competitive aspect; they are about teamwork, horsemanship, and independence. I wasn’t a very competitive kid and I NEVER had competitive horses, but I loved rallies. Learning how to travel with horses, work as a team, and demonstrate good horsemanship in inconvenient circumstances are important skills, to say nothing of the organizational aspect. As a young adult I went on to groom at the top levels of my discipline (including overseas and US team competition) as well as do some international competing myself, and part of my success was definitely due to the strong organizational skills and attention to detail that began at pony club rallies.

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I hear you! My daughter was so excited to be part of a group/team with IEA that while she says the competition aspect is not a big deal I think she desires that team atmosphere!

How did you get to groom at such a high level? Did that stem out of pony club? High school? Just curious.

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹Trying to help an 11 year old thru this process is hard. She just wants the path of least resistence…pick the cheapest and closest barn that is a good fit. It’s mom and dad that are pushing for a switch…that has good safety protocol and more balance/developing seat training practices…

I am so sad for her because she had a lot of time /investment in the horses at her barn…

She is fortunate to have you and Dad looking out for her. I switched barns at 11 and while it was a difficult transition at first, it was absolutely the right move. I found a place (and a trainer) who was invested in my education as a whole, not just cranking out my hour lesson and moving on. That kind of thing makes a huge difference.

My work opportunities were not a direct result of pony club, but I was hired initially off of a recommendation from a pony club contact, and the skills that I learned in PC- attention to detail and meticulous organization, in addition to the horse stuff- gave me a leg up in navigating the world of upper level competition. I also got all sorts of other exposure from PC- riding along with equine vets, going to clinics and expos, learning about breeding- that created a good foundation of knowledge to build on as a young professional.

Nice! And so interesting that you also switched barns at 11… What a coincidence!

Our nearest pony clubs are 30 minutes away. The one this post started about is a riding center and I do think they see the unmounted meetings as classes (hence the cost). Today’s is all about First Aid etc. They offered dd to attend one for free so we are going to check it out. Although across the board this barn seems WAY out of our price range.

The other Pony Club is just over the border in another state and I haven’t gotten much info on it yet. (As far as where the students lease/borrow horses…take lessons etc) but hope to for Monday.

All other barns in our area tend to do IEA or regular shows. Which is not bad if they have the safety and education components as priorities they could still be a good fit.

The drive 30 minutes one way is a bummer for the other barns we are looking at …but could be worth it in the long run.

My direct experience with Pony Club has all been as an adult, and I have come to the conclusion that the rally experience as @Equisis described it for a youth member is probably the single most valuable experience that Pony Club offers for a youth member that doesn’t own their own horse or a youth member who boards and therefore doesn’t experience all of the daily aspects of horse care. The networking is valuable too - to both youth and adults.

Reading between the lines of your posts @darcilyna it sounds like there are concerns with current barn which are indicating that it’s time to move on. If you find that there are aspects of Pony Club that appeal even if you don’t choose the official riding center as your next barn, you might consider joining a Pony Club or 4-H horse club in your area to make horse connections and participate in the educational activities. Local clubs in both PC and 4-H vary hugely based on volunteer leadership so the offerings and quality vary, but there are some good opportunities out there.

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Traditional Pony Clubs are non-profit, and only charge members to cover costs not covered by any fundraising they might do (this will vary widely from club to club)

A Pony Club Riding Center is a for-profit lesson barn following the Pony Club curriculum. Their members are full USPC members, and they can participate at any rally or championships. They just don’t (usually) own a horse and are dependent on the center for the horse, instruction, and transportation. What the center charges can vary widely from center to center.

Pony club riding centers are an excellent way to get kids into the Pony Club program without having to go all in with a horse, trailer, etc. Yes, the costs will always be higher per activity, but still probably cheaper than buying a horse, boarding it, buying a truck and trailer, etc. As a traditional club near a few riding centers, we find that a certain number of kids will naturally progress from the riding center, to accumulating a horse and trailer, and switching to a traditional club due to lower costs and more opportunities. Sometimes they’ll spend a year as dual members of both clubs before finalizing the switch.

I’m involved in a traditional club. We do not charge anything for unmounted meetings. If we brought in an instructor or special guest that we had to pay, then we’d probably pass that cost onto the members if we couldn’t justify it in the budget. Our club’s annual membership fee is only $15 (plus regional and national dues). We operate on a “pay as you go” system, where kids sign up for lessons and rallies that are offered, and pay their share. It’s all subsidized by club fundraising, in an amount to be determined each year. Our goal is to keep our bank account at about the same “cushion” from year to year. Some clubs in our area have major fundraisers, like USEA events, and are able to cover 100% of the costs of everything. Some have none, and the members pay the actual costs. Some charge much higher yearly or quarterly dues which cover lessons whether you attend them or not. All of this flexibility is allowed by the national organization.

There are several Pony Club Riding Centers in our region and neighboring region. They’re all a little different. What is the same between them all and with traditional clubs is the teamwork and knowledge. Rally days are long days and involve hard work, but kids love rallies. Some of them will admit that the riding part is not what they love the most about it. They love hanging out in their team area with the other kids, eating snacks, talking about whatever it is they talk about, and having no parents cramping their style all day (they do get some supervisory walk-throughs by the Horse Management judges, so are not completely feral). Parent togetherness is a side effect of rallies, and in my experience has been pretty positive. There have only been 1 or 2 people who I really didn’t want to spend all day with in my 11 years in Pony Club as a parent.

I do think $75 for an unmounted meeting is pretty steep! However, I’d want to know the other details, like how often are they, what are the costs for a mounted PC lesson, are you also required to take regular group lessons in addition to PC lessons, what’s the real cost of attending rallies (do they charge for horse rental or trailering?) You should also see if your region has a regional website or contact info, because then you could see when/what ALL of the rallies are. As a member of the region, your daughter could choose to be involved in other rallies besides what that center attends. She could go as a stable manager for another club, help out with horse management, or just do things like jump crew. The region probably also holds some regional educational activities, like a standards and ratings clinic, or HM clinic.

I would not trade my pony club education for anything!

No idea how it works now, but when I came up through PC in the 90’s the unmounted meetings were free. Older pony clubbers were responsible for teaching the curriculum to a group at each level, and the parents rotated who brought snacks, stayed to supervise, and ran the mock know-down rally for the last 30 minutes of the meeting.

Mounted lessons, clinics, rallies, ratings, and ratings prep always had costs, but were never crazy. There was a small cost for unmounted clinics - when we brought in a national examiner to teach something for the higher level members. Everyone in my club took at least weekly riding lessons outside the formal pony club system. Many rode at the same barn on the lesson horses, but we had plenty of people who rode at neighboring barns or at their houses as well. The pony club itself didn’t offer weekly lessons. We had unmounted meetings every Saturday for 3-4 months over the winter, and mounted events every few weeks (more in the summer).

I’m pretty sure a Pony Club Riding Center is considered a normal pony club (for competitions and ratings and whatnot), but the difference is that they provide ‘lease’ horses for the club members – this allows a pony club experience for kids that don’t own horses.

I don’t know about charging for unmounted lessons, but I’d venture a guess its just another way to underwrite keeping a number of pony club approved mounts going for an unknown number of pupil/pony club members.
Ditto everything above positive said about USPC - it is the direct reason so many of us have found a lifelong vocation, as well as avocation.

Hi all! Thank you for your great input.
We visited (as a guest meaning free) a pony club meeting yesterday at the PC center. Of course dd LOVED IT
the issue is cost. Wondering if she could take lessons elsewhere and do their Pony Club unmounted meetings or if that would be frowned upon. I did ask about lesson requirements to do Pony Club and was told there are no requirements… Even how many unmounted meetings to attend did not seem to be a requirement. They’re going to send me more info today. There were about 8 girls at the meeting and I think about 5 could not attend that day.

I am researching Pony Clubs that are not with a riding center…learning more today. There is not much within a 30 minute drive. Most barns around do IEA not PC.

I feel like this is so hard on my daughter…visiting places and knowing she may not end up there. She is pretty sensitive… And falls in love with the horses of course.

The only difference is that a Club is a non-profit, and a Center is for-profit. Otherwise they are treated exactly the same. A Center is usually an existing business that has embraced the Pony Club ideals and horse management program as a way to benchmark and advance their students. (Thus they often have a nice string of schoolies or lease horses.) They have employees and costs and it is totally appropriate/normal to charge for all of their activities, as they have to pay for their staff, space, and equipment. There are many advantages to both, and the Centers are definitely growing in popularity. This is a big change to those of us who grew up in Pony Club, but now there are even some regions who are all Centers and no Clubs.

By the way, you ARE allowed to participate in more than one club (or center). You need to declare a “home” club, but then to be a member of a second club, you just have to pay the other club’s dues too. Our club is foxhunting-based, and we are the “second” club to several kids who like to hunt with us.

We also have kids who ride elsewhere, and this is fine too, but you will find that riding with your pony club friends is half the fun. (especially at her age.) So I would definitely encourage you to find a place that fits both. Good luck!

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^ :yes:

Granted it’s been years, but when I riding in PC, there was a one-time (or quarterly if you wanted to split payments) due, that covered everything from weekly mounted meets, to unmounted lessons hosted at member houses (usually with dinner supplied). Rallies were about $100-200.

IIRC our dues were $200, included weekly (sometimes bi-weekly) mounted meets, quizzes hosted at family houses, and unmounted meetings. Also included a fair bit of ride-sharing, our PC was awesome and very focused on making sure everyone could attend.

I think that’s pretty costly, and would continue looking around. Does your daughter have a horse? None of the PC chapters here charge per mounted meet, but you did need your own horse. I am still involved in PC as a volunteer/steward and have never heard of charging per mounted meet in addition to dues.

Did you ask about the cost? They should be able to give you a complete breakdown on costs associated with belonging to their club and explain why the costs are what they are.

I’d just come right out and ask why unmounted meetings cost $75. I’d be tactful and say something like, “I’ve heard that there isn’t any standard charge among various pony clubs for their meetings. Can you explain how your pricing system works and what the different charges cover? What does the $75 charge for unmounted meetings cover?”

I know $75 for a single unmounted meeting seems like a lot, but perhaps, once you look at the total overall costs for this club compared to others, it may end up being more comparable than you think. It’s also possible that, as you say, you’ve found the most expensive pony club ever.

I’ll also repeat my previous “between a rock and a hard place” comment. You’ve got high standards and you may just have to spend more money and/or drive farther to find a place that meets them.

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We do not own a horse so that is an issue with a Pony Club depending on how they are set up…what is the norm with their group, etc