I second the barley idea. Years ago I worked with a lovely British woman who swore that feeding rolled, or maybe it was steamed, crimped barley, was just the thing. Her horses fox hunted and evented and always looked fabulous. Good luck.
and why not just oats??? My horses have been eating hay and oats all their life and they are still alive and they are not hot⦠You can always give something like omega shine or a vitamin supplement on topā¦
I have never fed any pelleted food because I dont trust the ingredientsā¦
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and why not just oats??? My horses have been eating hay and oats all their life and they are still alive and they are not hot⦠You can always give something like omega shine or a vitamin supplement on topā¦
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Well, oats is on the list of things heās allergic to, so ājust oatsā would not be ideal. He can probably have something with SOME oats but thatās on the prohibited list too
I have the kid who is allergic to peanuts and has celiacs and is a vegan
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Even just corn-free, soy-free would probably be ok. Those were the 2 strongest allergies.[/QUOTE]
Ok then I probably misunderstood. I thought your vet said soy and corn free would be ok⦠Did you ever try to feed plain oats???
I too would try some cracked barley with beet pulp.
I also would like the know the grass vs Timothy situation. Timothy IS a grass hay, but I have never understood why itās pulled out specifically from all other grass hays I could understand if Timothy is an allergen but thatās all on the generic grass hays - ?
How easy/hard a keeper is this horse? It IS possible to do something like Uckeleās High Point Grass (no soy or alfalfa), then add whatever specific nutrients you might need (Iād strongly suggest Tri-Amino or Nutramino at a minimum, maybe extra copper/zinc, and definitely Vit E if all he gets is hay), and use some combo of barley and beet pulp.
Thatās not the most economical way to feed a horse who needs lots of calories, but hopefully he doesnāt!
There was a horse I knew with a list of allergies like this (we said he was āallergic to lifeā) ⦠he was fed clover hay and beet pulp, and oil. He got awful hives otherwise.
I also wonder if, once you take care of the major issues (corn, soy) if the other allergies then become āallergiesā? Meaning - not really allergic, maybe just a wee bit sensitive, but the corn and soy have him revved up enough, the little things are making a big deal?
My trainer makes a āgrainā out of barley, flax seed, beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, and a vitamin/mineral sup. You could sub in a different hay pellet.
Iāve had two horses with allergies thrive on oats and a vit/min sup, but neither had oats on their list
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Ok then I probably misunderstood. I thought your vet said soy and corn free would be ok⦠Did you ever try to feed plain oats???[/QUOTE]
The vet suggested finding a commercial soy and corn free feed first. I got the diagnosis about 5 hours ago so I have yet to try anything yet
He is a medium keeper. Big fella so needs a fair amount of calories but not a hard keeper either.
He was tested for about 18 things including all different hays, he only had a reaction to timothy and alfalfa. Not sure why but other hays are ok
Iāll check my mareās feed tag out, but sheās also allergic corn, as well to flax seed, and barley. Iāve had the most recent luck with her on Nutrena Safe Choice Special Care. I need to check on the soy aspect. Itās not particularly high in fat but really seems to be doing the trick along with some beet pulp and alfalfa hay. I did have her on alfalfa pellets, but recently bit the bullet and switched her to the hay and am seeing a big difference.
eek nevermind⦠I think it has soyā¦
The new Triple Crown Naturals feed is corn- and soy-free, though alfalfa and oats are ingredients 1 and 3.
Thereās also a soy-free ration balancer or two out there (McCauleyās M10 I think) that you could feed with beet pulp and a fat source?
My horse whom is allergic to corn gets barley+a vitamin/mineral supplement. I usually feed barely to my horses over oats, because I find they like the taste of barley more anyways.
Was he tested for orchard grass? Maybe you could feed a diet of orchard and barley and completely eliminate all allergens.
Connemara Crunch might work?
Ingredients List:
Organic Field Peas, Organic Alfalfa Meal, Sodium Silico Aluminate,
Dried Organic Kelp, Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Rice Hulls,
Brewers Dried Yeast, Hydrolyzed Yeast, Sulfur Powder, Yeast Culture,
Selenium Yeast, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Methionine Complex,
Manganese Methionine Complex, Copper Lysine Complex, Cobolt
Glucoheptonate, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product,
Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium
Thermophilum Product, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Diastatic
Malt, Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and the media on which it
was grown, consisting of organic hominy feed, organic ground corn,
organic wheat middlings, and organic sugarcane molasses.
At the very bottom it does have ground cornābut only as part of the media the yeast was grown on. Also I doubt the quantity would be very much. Anyway, I have no idea if it would work for you, but I figured Iād suggest it. Itās only 3% fat so youād definitely have to add oil or rice bran or something for that.
Grain = wheat or any other cultivated cereal crop used as food; a single seed of a cereal
āis there such a thing as corn-free, soy-free, oat-free grain?ā yes, of course (wheat, barley, rye, etc), but is that really your question?
OP are you looking for one specific grain recommendation (ie wheat, barley, rye etc) or are you looking for a commercial feed product that is made up of grain, grain byproducts, and/or forages that is free from the items that cause your horse problems but will cover his vit/min RDAs?
What is his current diet, work load, and is he an easy or hard keeper, or something in between?
If you want to try rolled barley, but have trouble sourcing it, you could also consider rolled milo. Milo is a sorghum grain that is grown quite frequently here on the East Coast (and actually everywhere else, too). It is used A LOT in commercial feedlot feeds, and I know lots of Co-op mills in the Midwest that grind it and sell it by the ton as horse feed (not bagged - transported via truck & augered into private elevated bins). You might be able to find it in bags locally at an Amish mill?
I donāt think you are going to find a good commercial product that works. I think you are going to have to mix up your own with beet pulp, vit/min supplement and possibly rice bran/oil for more fat. It sucks but I donāt see another way, barely could be another way to go as well for more energy if you need it.
What about a ration balancer? Check out Progressive & Buckeye. Also, I would recommend that you call Stoltzfus Feed in Gap, PA & ask for Don Kapper. He is a nutritionist (associated with Progressive) and he is EXCELLENT. Gap isnāt that bad a drive from S. Jersey (trust me, I do it regularly) and if you have a dry place to store pelleted feed, you can get a lot at one time. (It also helps that you donāt feed a RB in the quantities that you feed āgrainā - so a bag goes a lot farther.) Good luck!
I would go pure products as well, probably beet pulp and rice bran (calories + fat), and then add a comprehensive vitamin product like this:
Ok I have no real ideas about allergies⦠But I had a horse some years ago which always had very soft poop. I borded at a barn at that time where the BO was a miller who produced flour for a living. And ofcourse because he had the facilites he also produced his own horsefeed as well. So very fresh and well planned food.
I on the other hand got really desperate with my horse and finally I just gave him plain oats. And from that day the poop was perfect. IMO if you have allergies go back to food with only one ingredient and go from there. If the horse can tolerate one ingredient you can add another one.
But for me it doesnt make sense to switch from one mix to another⦠In every mix there might be something the horse might not tolerateā¦
Sorry just saw Fordtraktor posted the same thing, I was probably still writing when he/she posted itā¦