Yours is much more comprehensive, Manni!
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Grain = wheat or any other cultivated cereal crop used as food; a single seed of a cereal
āis there such a thing as corn-free, soy-free, oat-free grain?ā yes, of course (wheat, barley, rye, etc), but is that really your question?
OP are you looking for one specific grain recommendation (ie wheat, barley, rye etc) or are you looking for a commercial feed product that is made up of grain, grain byproducts, and/or forages that is free from the items that cause your horse problems but will cover his vit/min RDAs?
What is his current diet, work load, and is he an easy or hard keeper, or something in between?[/QUOTE]
I think the context makes it easy to see itās a ācorn/soy-free feedā 
āGrainā is just used almost all the time to mean a hard feed.
Don retired 
At least from Progressive, but I think in general
All but 3 (that I know of) ration balancers use soy as their protein source, though most are grain-free. M10, TDI-10, and I think thereās one more that is soy-free at least
1 bag of a RB might go far in terms of a serving size (1-2lb for most normal horses), but if a horse needs more calories, the cost of feeding him can get $$
I know this is out there, but have you ever looked into the diet where the horses just get fruits and veggies? I know a lot of people who do it for horses with IR and cushings and have had great success.
I havenāt read all the responses but thought Iād throw in my 2 centsā¦A TB I had was allergic to wheat, corn, beet pulp, cotton seed and ā¦damn, one more thingā¦Oh, Oats I think. He also had EPSM. I ended up feeding him plain alfalfa pellets, soaked, with a cup of oil, 3xday. Easy peasy.
Not that it helps you, but we do have a local company that makes something here - hugely popular and gaining even more popularity as word spreads. It is from Haystack and is called āSpecial Blendā
http://www.haystackfarmandfeeds.com/horse-products/special-blend-pellets/
Feed as a forage supplement for all ages of horses and other livestock. This feed is intended for horses or livestock that would benefit from a lower carb/higher fat diet. There is no molasses added. It is useful for animals that need to gain weight.
[COLOR=#000000]GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:CRUDE PROTEIN: MIN 12%CRUDE FAT: MIN 6%CRUDE FIBER: MAX 28%DIETARY STARCH: MAX 5.0%SIMPLE SUGARS (ESC): MAX 7.5%WATER SOLUBLE CARBS (WSC): MAX 10.0%FRUCTANS (WSC-ESC): MAX 2.5%ASH: MAX 8% [/COLOR]
INGREDIENTS:PLAIN DRIED BEET PULP, SUN CURED TIMOTHY HAY, SUN CURED ALFALFA HAY, GROUND FLAXSEED MEAL, RICE BRAN, CANOLA OIL
FEEDING INSTRUCTIONS: YOUNG ANIMALS: 0.5-1.0 LBS DAILYBREEDING ANIMALS: 1-5 LBS DAILYLACTATING ANIMALS: 4-5 LBS DAILYMAINTENANCE: 1-2 LBS DAILYWEIGHT GAIN: 0.5-1.0 LBS/100LBS BODY WEIGHT
THESE PELLETS WILL BE SOFTER AND MORE POWDER MIGHT BE PRESENT AS WE USE NO BINDERS EXCEPT STEAM!
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Allergy results back, if horses eat it, mine is allergic. Strongest response to corn, then soy, then oats and to a lesser extent alfalfa and timothy. IS there such a thing as commercial corn-free, soy-free, oat-free grain?[/QUOTE]
Can you tell me what your horses symptoms were? We are just now heading down the long route to find out what seems to be causing my horses allergies. My guy is having respiratory issues plus horrendous hives we are barely able to control at the moment.
Rice Branā¦ https://kppusa.com/all-products/equi-jewel/ingredients/#begin_content
"Rice bran is a by-product of the milling of rice. It consists mostly of the bran layer and germ of the rice with some fragments of hull and broken rice.
The calcium level in rice bran will vary with the amount of added calcium carbonate. When the amount of added calcium carbonate exceeds 3 percent (total calcium exceeds 1.2 percent), then the percentage of calcium carbonate must be stated in the product name.
Rice bran is similar to oats in crude protein, fat, fiber and energy. It is a palatable feedstuff, which can be included in the grain mixture at a rate of up to 25 percent or fed at a rate of up to 8 pounds (3.6 kg) per cow per day.
Typical Analysis
Dry matter 90 %
Crude Protein 13.0 %
Fat 13.0 %
Crude fiber 13.0 %
Neutral Detergent Fiber 29.7 %
Acid Detergent Fiber 16.2 %
Calcium 1.00 %
Phosphorus 1.54 %
Total Digestible Nutrients 68.0 %
Net energyāLactation 70.0 Mcal/100 lbs."
http://gettyequinenutrition.biz/Library/Proteinwhatarethebestsources.htm
"Crude Protein in Commonly Fed Feedstuffs*
Forages and fibrous feeds
Percent Range
Alfalfa (hay, cubes or pellets)
19-23%
Beet pulp
7-11%
Grass hay, warm season (Bermuda, Coastal, Tifton)
8-13%
Grass hay, cool season (brome, orchardgrass, timothy, fescue)
5-15%
Oat hay
5-11%
Rice bran
11-19%
Straw
3-7%
Soybean hulls
12-16%
Wheat bran
15-20%
Wheat hay
7-14%
Wheat middlings
16-21%
Concentrates
Percent Range
Barley
9-14%
Canola meal
35-44%
Corn
7-10%
Flaxseed meal
31-35%
Oats
11-15%
Soybean meal
44-52%
Sunflower meal
26-30%
Wheat
11-16%
*Values obtained from the National Research Council, 2006 and Equi-Analytical Labs
Keep in mind that the above values can vary dramatically based on growing conditions, and are offered as general guidelines. Notice, for example, that cool season grasses can range from 5 to 15 percent protein. This is why is it so important to analyze your specific hay to take the guesswork out of evaluating your horseās diet."
Then you just need a multi vitamin.
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Allergy results back, if horses eat it, mine is allergic. Strongest response to corn, then soy, then oats and to a lesser extent alfalfa and timothy. IS there such a thing as commercial corn-free, soy-free, oat-free grain?[/QUOTE]
Yes: Renew Gold.
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Well thereās broom grass and orchard grass both of them are made into hay. There is rice, and barley which can be hard. And in WWII the English fed potatoes.
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Even just corn-free, soy-free would probably be ok. Those were the 2 strongest allergies.[/QUOTE]
You are going to have to feed whole grains. Such as just oats with a vitamin mineral supplement. Alternatives include barley and tricale. Your going to have to contact a local feed mill and see what they have.
Following the responses and appreciate the help. Longer reply when I catch up and come up for air. Today was a heck of a frustrating day (not horse related).
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Timothy=grass,unless you mean Bermuda? Orchard could be fescue,Timothy,who knows what?,depends on the state.[/QUOTE]
Timothy is a specific species of grass (Phleum pratense), as is orchardgrass (Dactylis glomerata).
Orchardgrass is not fescue.
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Timothy is a specific species of grass (Phleum pratense), as is orchardgrass (Dactylis glomerata).
Orchardgrass is not fescue.[/QUOTE]
Orchard IS a true species of grass, but unfortunately, here on the East Coast, it seems quite common to call any old field of native (uncultivated) grass that has been baled āorchardā grass. I see it all the timeā¦
In the Midwest, we at least call mixed native grass hay āprairieā hay vs. calling it by a specific species that it is notā¦
I donāt know what it is in Timothy hay, but that is the one hay that I am allergic too. In large quantities (like helping stack a barn full of hay), other grass hays can get allergies going, but Timothy, just picking up a flake will leave me sneezy and itchy bumps on my arms.
I saw someone mentioned it, but what about Renew Gold, or Coolstance?
Another vote for trying renew gold. My gelding has been on it with just coastal hay and a taste of alfalfa and is doing very well
It may be that people are calling that stuff āorchardā but itās not. They are wrong. As Ghazzu said, itās a specific species, of which there are several specific cultivars.
Iāve seen people (here recently) think that all Bermuda is the same, and depending on who it is, think itās all either related to, or all unrelated to, ileal impactions.
Education people
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Orchard IS a true species of grass, but unfortunately, here on the East Coast, it seems quite common to call any old field of native (uncultivated) grass that has been baled āorchardā grass. I see it all the timeā¦
In the Midwest, we at least call mixed native grass hay āprairieā hay vs. calling it by a specific species that it is notā¦[/QUOTE]
Mislabelling something orchrdgrass doesnāt change the fact that it isnāt.
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Iād third the Renew Gold.
I have a very big, rather hard-keeping, quite hot warmblood who is inclined to get āGrain Brain.ā
I prefer not to feed soy as one of my other horses is violently allergic to it so it is easier just to not have it around.
He gets two feeds a day (in addition to large quantities of hay.)
His morning feed consists of 2lbs of Renew Gold, his evening feed of 3lbs of alfalfa pellets (you could substitute another hay pellet or beet pulp?) and a half pound of rice bran, plus a vit/min supplement and tri-amino.
This keeps him in good flesh, bright and cheerful, with a fabulous coat, and keeps his brains in his head. It is also really easy to feed.
Hm, Iāve never heard that orchard grass was a specific species before, but then again I am in New England, and āmixed orchard grass hayā is a standard find around here. Whether itās a particular species or not, a lot of horses do well on itā¦
Anyway, OP, there is a horse where I board who reacts badly (gets ulcery and bad GI symptoms) from the main ingredients in the hard feeds you listed. Heās getting soaked beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, and a vitamin/mineral supplement, and possibly rice bran. No grains at all! And heās much happier. SO maybe BEEP and rice bran and a vitamin/mineral supp for yours?
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I also wonder if, once you take care of the major issues (corn, soy) if the other allergies then become āallergiesā? Meaning - not really allergic, maybe just a wee bit sensitive, but the corn and soy have him revved up enough, the little things are making a big deal?[/QUOTE]
This has been my experience. Montana is allergic to corn, oats, molasses, most grasses, several trees, and a handful of insects. Ugh. Luckily, the ālow starchā interest started very shortly after his diagnosis. By removing corn (he can handle distillerās grains in small quantities) and oats from his diet, I have managed to minimize his reactivity to other allergens.
