Sigh - more designer breeds

There’s a registry:

It’s WILD to go through the breeder list and see what they charge for puppies. Like, several thousand more than what I’ve ever spent on show quality purebred puppies from nationally recognized breeders. :open_mouth:

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Apparently it’s a thing with goats too, this “snubian” is for sale on my local pages ha ha

For $200! Goat prices have gone up since I was last in the market…

The name of their place givres me the shivers–baaad vibes all around

Neighbor runs a brisk business selling Australian labradoodles. $3250 a piece.

It’s a pretty long “health guarantee” that basically means nothing - I’d ask them why they don’t conduct health testing for that price. They can’t reasonably claim it’s too expensive.

And mandating spay/neuter by 6 months?

This is a puppy mill.

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I can’t tell if those guys are “Australian Labradoodles” in name only, or are registered. The registration does require testing:

I think the registry & puppy prices are eye roll worthy, but do appreciate that they’re trying to force more responsible breeding…

Oh…they’re associated with a different registry (there’s more than one!) They’re a WALA Six Star Breeder, so must do hips & elbows (with some loopholes :roll_eyes:)

So Aussiexlabxpoodle? Sounds like an odd mix.

It’s a residential home on about a 1/4 acre. With 8-10 parking spaces along the driveway that have “expectant parent” signs posted on each slot. Very busy. People often get lost and show up at my house looking for the breeder. They whelp year round it seems. Puppies sold before they’re born.

Are you talking about the Australian Labradoodles…? No, there’s no Aussie in them. It’s Lab, Poodle, Cocker. The registry websites talk through it in detail.

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Got it… basically we want the mutts to sound more expensive so we can charge more.

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Sounds like the “breeder” may have WHEADLED the buyer into handing over good money.

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LaDoodlecock?

Cockradoodle.

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The registries are making an attempt at producing an actual breed, and require at least a modicum of actual health testing. Yeah, the doodle thing is dumb, but at least these people aren’t just blindly breeding like the vast majority capitalizing on the craze.

I will have to look again. If my breeding dogs were health tested I would have the link to OFA right there on my website. Unless the registry is the one reading the x-rays?

I still consider them a puppy mill. Any breeder that uses guardian homes and mandates juvenile neuter is not a reputable breeder. But if they are actually health testing it would bring them up notch in my opinion.

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Eh… I’m unimpressed. A breeder can be a 6-star breeder without doing any actual health testing at all. Not one of their brood bitches is in the OFA database. My original opinion stands.

Editing to add OFA recommends the following:

Toy Poodles: Eyes (PRA), Patellas
Miniature Poodles: Eyes (PRA), Patellas, Hips
Standard Poodles: Hips, Eyes (PRA), Cardiac and/or Thyroid

So - all of them should have the eyes tested and patellas (which are the easiest to evaluate). And as they get larger - hips and cardiac.

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Hips, elbows and a DNA profile is the lowest level of breeder, and the higher levels are inclusive of the three star level.

This is the six star level.

Let’s at least give credit where credit is due: the breeders who participate in this registry are doing more to produce screened dogs than the vast majority who breed doodles.

Ok but none of the dogs on the website are in the OFA registry. So my guess is this like an AKC breeder of merit. The certification goes to the breeder when they meet the minimum qualifications but they don’t apply to the dogs individually. The breeder doesn’t come off the registry. So the breeder at some point did have those tests done on at least one dog but it doesn’t seem like they are still doing them.

It’s kind of a vague qualification (so is AKC Breeder of Merit). The CHIC certification is specific to each dog, not the breeder.

I get that the registry can’t be the breeder police - but breeders who use the credentials without actually doing the work in their breeding programs are just as bad as those that dont belong to any registry at all.

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Look, I don’t particularly care about this breeder. My only point is the registries are making an attempt to get people to breed responsibly. There are a massive number of people out there breeding these types of dogs without any screening, consideration of type or outcome of pairings, or proving of parents. It’s a free for all, and results are all over the map, and often ugly. I think we both agree that’s not ideal, yes?

At least there are a few groups out there trying to change that. These doodle things are here, they’re not going anywhere. You and I might think that’s stupid, but scores and scores of people apparently like them. Any encouragement to get them bred responsibly, rather than willy nilly, is a good thing.

And, if you look at the WALA site, EACH dog, prior to breeding, must submit hips, elbows and DNA. No, it’s not like breeder of merit. Yes, it is a requirement of each dog. No, it doesn’t have to be through OFA, there are a couple different acceptable avenues listed.

I linked this page above, but here it is again. Look under “Health and DNA Profile Requirements.”

They also require a website. They don’t say it has to be any good, or have very much info on it, or stay current. If a current, in depth website is a requisite of a good breeder, there are a hell of a lot of (very very good) breeders that fall off the list, because having good dogs sure doesn’t make you good at tech stuff. Damn, several of “the best” breeders in my breed don’t even HAVE a website–and I’d guess your breed is similar.

OK, I am looking again.

Yes, in theory, it is better if a registry requires health testing. I still don’t understand why a breeder would not identify which tests and the scores, and the database itself is apparently not available to buyers.

I’d be curious how many members they have; this organization is very young.

It still seems like a bit of a free for all, but I guess it’s better than nothing at all.

Popping back in to say that I saw a Morkie at the dog park yesterday. She was sort of cute even though she looked like a poor quality Yorkie. I couldn’t really see the Maltese in her except maybe in her coloring - she was sort of a VERY pale silvery blue with white points. She was also pretty sweet and friendly. She was 10 y/o rescue and the owner didn’t really know her history. Her appearance made me wonder if these crosses all look similar or if the litters exhibit a range of traits typical of F1 crosses.