When asked for a Renvers Right (on the centerline), should I be doing a Renvers bending right, or should I be doing a renvers as if I was going right around the ring (clockwise)?
Renvers right would have haunches right. Though it is a very confusing way to ask the rider for it. In this case it is the same as Travers right.
Sort of meaningless without a wall for reference.
One has the wall to the right side of horse the other to the left. On the center line there is no wall.
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I assume the difference is that in going from shoulder in left to renvers right, that I will need to keep the hind quarters on the centerline (whereas with Travers the shoulders would be on the centerline). Is this a correct assumption?
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Perhaps the position needs to be based upon the rein in which the rider was previously proceeding. As in going around the arena on the R rein, renvers would require the haunches to the L on the centerline , as though there is an imaginary wall.
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Kinda sorta - first part is right, but going from shouder in left (hindquarters on cl) to travers left the whole horse moves to the left of the centerline since the haunches need to move to the other side. If you went from shoulder in left to travers RIGHT, then it is exactly the same as going to renvers RIGHT.
The rightness or leftness of the renver or traver simply refers to the direction of the haunches when āout in spaceā as is on the centerline.
Disclaimer - I was up all night receiving a horse that has been shipped from CA to MA and been in transit 7 days. It sounded coherent, but it may not beā¦
Thought of an example. Go out into a field and ride towards me with haunches to the right. You are in both Travers right and renvers right at the same time 
It becomes defined when you turn - turn right when you get to me and it is travers, turn left and it is renvers.
Sort of a Schroedingers cat situation. I am clearly in need of sleepā¦
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May I ask why we are on the centerline? You choreographing a Freestyle? Just curious
Hmmm, I think you always orient yourself to the direction of the bend when the horse is going straight, donāt you? So Renvers right would mean the haunches are displaced to the left (since the horseās bend would be to the right if it was going straight? What a fascinating question - I agree with dot - classic Schroedingerās cat!
Are there any existing tests where you do renvers from c-line? I canāt think of any, but I donāt have them all memorized :lol:
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ETA: CORRECTION - After reading WD Level 3 test 3 that CHT is planning to ride.
This movement ride like in the Dressage level 3 test 2 (but on the long side).
Shoulder in left, then you just change the bend. Forehand and hinds stay at the same place/same kind of angle.
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I would have thought it would be the direction of the bend. Kinda confusing, lol, hope I never have to ride it on the centre line.
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The bend would be to the right, and the quarters would have to be placed on the centre line for the movement to be renvers. If the bend is to the right but the shoulders are placed on the centre line then the movement would be travers.
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It is a western dressage test. I am deciding if I should try level 3. The test (3) has me go down centerline at A, and then Shoulder in (left) from D-X, and then Renvers right from X-G, then turn left at C.
Later I go down centerline at A, then shoulder in right from D-X, renvers left from X- before G, walk at G and turn left.
Itās a new test for 2017 and I cannot find any videos of it online.
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I am wondering it that is taken from the āoldā 2nd level Test 3? Where you did shoulder in to renvers? If so, it is all direction of bend. You would go from L bend to R bend.
The first paragraph would have haunches on CL, shoulders to the left and bend left (shoulder-in left), then keep haunches on CL, keep shoulders left, just change bend to right. (Renvers right)
next paragraph would be the same, just to the opposite side.
so basically, once positioned, all you do is change bend, everything else stays the same.
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Donetko āThought of an example. Go out into a field and ride towards me with haunches to the right. You are in both Travers right and renvers right at the same time It becomes defined when you turn - turn right when you get to me and it is travers, turn left and it is renvers.ā
Up all night has gotten to you.
As travers and renvers are technically opposite, they cannot be the same, Technically! The bend is different, even if they look the same. In doing travers R, you are doing renvers L.
:lol:
I changed my previous post.
Itās like the old Level 2 Test 2 and the now Level 3 test 2 movements shoulder in to renvers where you change only the bend.
Is the quote function messed up again?
In response to merrygoround - travers right and renvers right are exactly the same, just the frame of reference changes. I contend that the bend determines its name - tracking left, putting the haunches on the track with the shoulders off the track with a right bend of 35 degress is renver RIGHT. That differs from renver GOING right.
The same way inside and outside leg I determined by bend and not āwallsā
ok, cant edit either lol.
wanted to add - if you are counter cantering, the leg closest to the wall is the āinside legā because of the bend in the canter being to the leading leg
counter canter really only becomes a counter canter when you are on a bend. On a wall you may just be cantering on the wring lead. 
Hair-splitting would be more productive if hare splitting. Hassenpfeffer.
OK Iāll go sit in the corner now. :o
This is a better exampleā¦
Put the horseās shoulders along a straight line painted in a field. Ask for the haunches to be right with a 35 degree bend.
Looking at the horse from above, is he in travers right or renvers right?
