Sir Donnerhall Stallions

[d_eLLe]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge/experience with the progeny of Sir Donnerhall stallions?
I know they will not be proven (& only young), however, I am particularly wondering if their temperament throws back to Sandro Hit/Sir Donnerhall (even if out of a quiet dam & grand dam) and if their fronts (shoulders & neck) are still passed on like SH & SD tend to?

Thanks in advance.

[stoicfish]

Ask this lady
http://www.dreamscapefarm.com/HorseDetail.aspx?ID=383

I just saw about 10 SD youngsters the other day and they were all good tempered. The mares were good too soo…

[DennisM]

Or, ask Mo Swanson at Rolling Stone Farm, who stands the Sir Donnerhall son, Sir James.
www.rollingstonefarm.com

[d_eLLe]

Thank you. I will do

[Sunnydays]

Not sure to what you are referring regarding Sandro Hit / Sir Donnerhall temperaments. I do think the mare contributes a lot, but all 7 of the Sandro Hit and Sir Donnerhall foals I have had were good tempered. The few who have gone undersaddle, to date, were good, and willing and trainable.
The Sir D sons mentioned above seem to be producing beautiful offspring, much-loved by their owners.

[imajacres]

I will let you know next year if my Spoercken/Escudo baby gets born. But I do have to say, I am hoping the DONNERHALL mind kicks in lol

[DownYonder]

OP, are you referring to foal temperament/character, or rideability/willingness/trainability of the mature horses?

For temperament/character, many folks have noticed a tendency toward “shyness” in the young foals of some Sandro Hit offspring. Most of them grow out of the shyness stage with good handling, etc., but some remain a bit sensitive and/or “spicy”. As for rideability/willingness, good riders love them because they are forward and just sensitive/hot enough to be light to the aids - although some do have more trouble with collection as they move up the levels.

But I will echo exactly what others have said - the damline plays a HUGE part - and is exactly why so many savvy breeders pair Sandro Hit bloodlines with Donnerhall bloodlines. They have learned to temper the “heat” of the Sandro Hit blood with the solid-minded, steady, more tolerant work ethic of the Donnerhall blood. Dreamscape Farms Sir Gregory is a classic example - he carries Sandro Hit blood from his sire Sir Donnerhall I, but also has Donnerhall twice in the 3rd generation (and at age 8, is breaking 70% at PSG). And he is siring wowser foals, although there aren’t many at riding age yet.

[d_eLLe]

Thank you.

Basically, I have a hot anglo x Jazz mare. Sweet & intelligent, but reactive (she is a diva in every sense of the word where every emotion is heightened, there is no 2nd guessing anything, what you see is what you get, it’s all on the surface). It wasn’t until she was 6 that I felt I could start competing on her & not end up heartbroken. I am happy to get another horse with the same temperament/rideability & trainability, however, I don’t want to make the resulting foal anymore difficult.

For the above reasons, Sir Donnerhall is not an option, as his progeny seem to take after mares temperament + a lil more spice. I have seen some really nice, quieter SD’s that aren’t camped out behind & still carry jumping & dressage ability & I was wondering what they appeared to pass on & whether the hotness of the SH line popped up (& the importance of grand sires).

I understand the SD stallions are still only young, which is why I don’t expect to get trainability/rideability insight, but was wondering about their temperament compared to their dam (I have noticed some are breeding them to the Jazz lines, so maybe it’s a good sign).

[siegi_b]

I just presented a 3-year old Sir Donnerhall/Florencio gelding at the KWPN-NA keuring at Iron Spring Farm and was blown away by his sane way of dealing with all kinds of new things! Flash Gordon S. E. did the DG Bar Cup for 3-year olds on Thursday and won with all 8’s for walk, trot, and canter as well as self-carriage, suppleness, submission and overall talent for dressage! As I found out later, he also got the ribbon for the Best Dressage Horse of the keuring!! I’ll take his temperament ANY day!!

[madamlb]

I have a nearly two year old Sir Donnerhall/Weltmeyer filly and she’s phenomenal. She is reactive, as in, her natural instinct is to be hotter and more sensitive to things, but she is also very thoughtful and wants to please, so she is likely to get worried, then to look to her handler and go ‘No, okay then, it’s okay’ and takes her cues from people and horses around her. She has a very good brain. Her character is phenomenal, very, very loving and sweet, very easy to deal with.

Her front end is fantastic and she is a very, very good mover in all three paces.

[paulamc]

I once bred Sir Donnerhall to a Jazz mare, many moons ago when sir donnerhall semen was first available, and the resulting foal, although absolutely stunning with mindblowing movement, he was hot hot hot and even at 7 years old, is still only competing novice but training a lot higher at home - he just cant handle change and new environments

I would not breed a Jazz mare to sir donnerhall again or Sandro hit in general. I always go for R or F lines for my jazz mares

Paulamc

[madamlb]

Paula I think mine gets her character from her dam- who obviously you bred- I had a few people raise eyebrows at the fact she is out of a Weltmeyer mare but they don’t know that particular mare! I can’t wait to see how Shine is under saddle- only another year to go!

[BigBayBoy]

I have a Sir D 3 year old gelding just starting under saddle. I’ve had him since he was a baby. His temperament is phenomenal - he can be “cautious” about new things, but given the opportunity to check out whatever’s new, he’s very accepting. He loves to “have a job” and I usually handle him by myself and have never had any issues. He also has great movement, so I’m very excited about our future. :yes:

[Donella]

I bred a now four year old SD mare from my Rosentau dam and I love her! But, she is only for a brave and confident rider as she can be a bit spooky as I understand is common with the SD. She is super balanced and swings so well, she really is special. Her sister by Londonderry just did her MPT for Dr. Christmann and Dr. Brockmann and she scored 8.0 8.5 8.0 9.0 9.0 and was best Canadian mare and Best mare in show and got her second 1A prize. The Sir Donnerhall is a better mare than her so I think that says something. But yeah, as much as I adore her I would not put anything S line on anything with Jazz in the pedigree as both have a reputation for producing overly sensitive and spooky.

[d_eLLe]

Thank you, I understand the SD & SH temperament, but there also seem to be a number of quieter SD progeny (bred to the quieter C, D or F lines) and these were the SD stallions I was considering.