As my momma used to say “When in doubt, shut your mouth”
i don’t recall anyone keeping that job for long. it’s not that kind of job. i don’t think there even has to be a difference of opinion over training over something as obvious as rollkur, it can be something far more subtle as well, it’s just the nature of the beast.
the bottom line is that no one here is intimately connected enough to say why it happened. the other people train quite a bit like how sjeff trains, anyway. it’s pretty hard to see anyone in holland or germany these days not riding their horse very deep…it would be a matter of degree, rather than to Rollkur or Not To Rollkur, if it WAS a difference of opinion over that - it could have seen something entirely different, as simple as which shows to go to to prep the horses.
And such things happen in every country - sometimes it’s just a i’ma sicka you face type thing.
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the bottom line is that no one here is intimately connected enough to say why it happened.
You never know…:lol:
Never forget
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“The underlying story however is that Imke (mother Tineke), Edward (partner Hans Peter Minderhoud), Laurens (father Leunes), Marlies (mother Coby and Jo Hinnemann) didn’t feel good with Sjef’s system. And it is no secret that the riders mentioned performed better when they quit training with Sjef.”
Finally. Something other than that ridiculous spin that no one trains/tries hard enough for the Olympics, which is a statement that:
- insults/attacks the top and sub-top Dutch riders
- concerns the sponsors that fund these riders
- concerns the RaboTalentPlan fundraising efforts that promotes new Dutch riders
- oh yes, insults the horse world that they are probably stupid enough to believe no one knows how to train hard enough. Duh, being 200% fit for competition is BASIC no matter what your discipline.
Thank you KathyMagee and happydressage. Although why Janssen felt he needed to position himself publicly this way for his leaving, which as far as I’m concerned could have been left unsaid. Most people are like, “thank you for the experience, it was a privilege, etc, etc,” no matter what inner political turmoil is going on.[/QUOTE]
You can push people like musicmakers and choreographers to go over their limits, even riders have to work on their physical and mental health, but pushing horses over their limits is impossible. The riders mentioned above all have their “once in a liftetime horse”, like Arjen Teeuwissen had with Goliath. Horses like Goliath, Sunrise, Ollright, Gribaldi, Idocus, Kigali and Relevant did and are doing the best they can and could, but pushing them over the limits creates an unhappy horse. Some horses are not made for +80%.
Southpark: one of the greatest shows ever.
Although Cartman should be saying “Respek ma authoritah.” I actually got my mom a T-shirt with that on it. But I dont think she ever wears it out of the house 
I still have one question, when was the last time Sjef rode on the team and knows FIRST HAND what it really takes to be a member of the team? Anky is a naturally gifted/talented rider, but what about Sjef? It’s impossible for me to believe him when he hasn’t walked a mile in their shoes…
“I still have one question, when was the last time Sjef rode on the team…”
More over, it seems this is the second time his attempt to be responsible for training an Olympic team didn’t work out. According to this article from 2003:
"The KNHS has been having problems finding the right person in charge of the dressage department in Holland, since German Jurgen Koschel, the most successful Dutch Chef d’equipe so far, was dismissed in 2002. Judge Gishlain Fourage became interim Chef d’equipe at the 2002 World Equestrian Games, and he was followed by the trio Peeters/Janssen/Hinnemann, who were hired to create the path towards the 2004 Olympic Games. De Jong, however, was not satisfied and appointed Rutten today…
[excerpt out of order from same article] “In order to solve the current problems and to build towards a positive future for the Dutch Dressage Team in sight of the 2004 Olympic Games, the KNHS has searched for a new management system and pink slipped Jan Peeters, Sjef Janssen and Johan Hinnemann.”
both excerpts from http://www.eurodressage.com/news/dressage/holland/2003/rutten.html published Nov 2003
It was an interim team that he was on then SM. So he didn’t fail, the interim period just stopped. And the definite coach was then appointed. Know the facts…
This is still going???
Talk about flogging a dead horse.
He’s quit, gone, finished, let it go.
I am sure he has no interest in what is being said here and is probably happily getting on with his life with his wife and two small children.
fargo, the article is quite clear. If you have a problem with bad reporting, take it up with the publication. Nothing was in there about “interim period” or his contract was up.
Maybe there’s another publication you’d like to direct me/us to, something that supports your version?
sm - why are you so determined to find “dirt”? I think it’s pretty obvious at this point that you don’t like Sjef for some reason (and you’ve never even met him), but at this point you’re like a pitbull that can’t let go.
Back to a post Dutch Mike made. How many Dutch citizens living outside of Holland did you poll before you came to your conculsion re living abroad? Because in my 45 years of living in the US and knowing countless fellow Dutch living here, Canada, etc. (a circle made wider because my parents have a big travel company), I can think of only one who had an issue and went back. But given that the issue was her husband’s passing, and she met a new man in Leeuwarden after 40+ years of living here, I don’t think that’s really hordes having problems with living overseas.
Edited to say that someone, I think it was Velvet, questioned what Janssen’s competition background was. He was on the 1983 Dutch team at the European Championships and won the team bronze at the 1991 Europeans.
I used to have a number of pics of him riding at different dressage shows in europe, we trashed all that stuff when we moved, but suffice to say, he actually has a lot more experience in dressage competition than most people suppose. At one time it was passed all around on the internet that he didn’t have any experience competing in dressage, so that is what everyone came to believe. Hate to have the truth rain on anyone’s little parade, but there it is.
Most likely, Sjef has a ‘last nerve’, just like most other people, and a point where he says he’s had enough.
Look, people, Jobs are Jobs. People’s life circumstances change, they get married, kids get born, their needs change, people get tired of certain jobs, and people don’t always get along in specific combinations under specific circumstances.
In most cases, there isn’t really anything wrong with ANYONE (or there isn’t anything MORE wrong with one person than anyone else), it just didn’t work out, or didn’t work out forever.
it’s childish and ridiculous to ALWAYS be trying SO hard to put a black cowboy hat on one guy and a white cowboy hat on the other guy. Give it up, grow up. It’s disgusting to see dressage people, who are supposed to be intelligent and thoughtful, get wrapped up in such tawdry, cheap topics.
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Back to a post Dutch Mike made. How many Dutch citizens living outside of Holland did you poll before you came to your conculsion re living abroad? [/QUOTE]
Centraal bureau van statistiek has all the answers;). The emigration boom of the 50’s,60’s and 70’s are far gone. Apart from that by experience to be honest.I know lots of people that have emigrated but returned to NL after1 or 2 years due to either missing the people or due to the sociale voorzieningen in Holland etc. I haven’t lived in Holland since 1979 so as you see I don’t miss it lol
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And yet, I’ve still never seen him on a team to definitively be able to say what it takes to be at the very top of the sport.
Just a thought…
Sorry, siegi b, but I am not as “determined” as you think. Had I been, I would have contributed to the spin-off thread started by happydressage. They only briefly touched upon his lawsuits there, and you’ll see no post from me on that thread.
And I would really need to kick it up a few major gears to get into “pit bull” mode 
Not surprisingly, it’s a problem (offensive?) for some when there’s a search for facts to separate it from whatever hype an individual chooses to release to the press.
Regarding Janssen, dressage is a small world and Sjef could be “back in tomorrow." It’s happened before with him as I already referenced in another post, and he’s still relatively young…
Velvet, rolkur aside, Sjef can ride. He is an effective/rider trainer. In Europe, it is not uncommon for a man to do a lot of the training and a women to do a lot of the showing. If you are an elegant man like Edward Gal or Andreas you can shine in the showring. If you are a more manly looking guy like Sjef, you may just do a lot of training and leave the showing to someone super tall, thin and elegant like Anky.
Velvet you are wrong, he has been on the dutch dressage team in the past. Not the recent past but he has ridden Bo (also known as Olympic Bo who was subsequently ridden by Sven Rothenberger and gonnelien Rothenberger). He won team bronze in 1991 on the EK Dressage with the Dutch dressage team. So he has been there and has done that too…
So he has been there and he is the son of a well known dutch cyclist (sp?) and in that way has known top sport since he was young.
Exactly. His father, also Sjef Janssen, competed to the pinnacle of the sport, including the Tour de France in 1948.
For those who read Dutch: http://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/article415231.ece/Janssen_weg_bij_dressuurploeg
So, have they named a replacement? If not, any guesses?
