relax velvet, i knew you didn’t say it.
Good grief. My reply was to Sabine and dutchmike.
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Good grief. My reply was to Sabine and dutchmike.[/QUOTE]
Well heck Velvet put it in nice thick letters I couldn’t miss it:p
yes, she needs to learn about quotation marks!
Coreene : “SM, it’s already been stated that he was on two European championship teams, and medaled as well.”
Coreene, after searching specifically for FEI euro championship results (pdf sheet understandably did not come up with a text search), I see all of one team bronze to answer Velvet’s earlier question. I do see Bartels name quite a bit more often throughout the top three:
Nothing for Sjef under individual medals 1963 – 2005, pages 1-3:
http://www.horsesport.org/d/PDFS/d_europe_champ_001.pdf
1991 bronze for Sjef under team medals 1963 – 2005, page 4-5:
http://www.horsesport.org/d/PDFS/d_europe_champ_001.pdf
other Netherlands TEAM placements without riders mentioned:
1989 – fifth of eight teams competing
1991 – third of ten teams competing
1993 – third of nine teams competing without Sjef on the team here
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:v0pC_wg_4L0J:www.horsesport.org/d/PDFS/d_europe_teamplacing_000.pdf+"european+championships"+dressage&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=15&gl=us
EDITED TO ADD this addresses what was Originally Posted by Sjef Janssen:
“I have the feeling that an important group of top riders don’t have the top sport mentality which, in my opinion, is necessary for the preparation for the 2008 Olympic Games. This is reason enough for me to quit as chef d’equipe. The riders are too focused with peripheral things and too little with top sport. Meetings with the A and B-teams as well as individual discussions did not lead to improvement, nor commitment,” Janssen explained.
Let’s go looking for the recent showing records of all the other popular trainers.
If a person is proven as a successful Olympic gold trainer ( more than once) what does it matter if he himself showed recently? I thought all competitions were corruptly judged anyway? Would you like him more if he won some prizes? :lol:
eggy since you asked, in comparison some top sport trainers track records:
KLAUS BALKENHOL COMPETITION RECORD
Most important successes to 1996 …
1979
German Vice-Champion (Berlin/Rabauke)
1988
European Champion / Police-riders
1990
German Vice-Champion (Mannheim/Goldstern)
Team-European-Champion and Vice-European-Champion free-style (single) (Donaueschingen/Goldstern)
German Champion (Münster/Goldstern)
1992
Team-Gold-Medal and Bronze-Medal, single (Barcelona/Olympic games)
1993
Team-European-Champion and 11nd single (Lipica/Goldstern)
Deutscher Meister (Verden/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix-Special (CDI Donaueschingen/Goldstern)
2nd Grand-Prix and 3nd Grand-Prix-Special (CDI Achleiten/Goldstern)
3nd Grand-Prix-Special (CHIO Aachen/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix and 1nd Grand-Prix-Special (Düsseldorf/Goldstern)
4nd Grand-Prix
1nd Grand-Prix-free-style (Hamburg Derby/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix 3ndGrand-Prix-free-style(Stuttgart/Goldstern)
1nd Weltcup-free-style(CHI Berlin/Goldstern)
1nd Nürnberger Burgpokal (CSI Frankfurt/Ehrengold)
1nd Weltcup-free-style(CDI-W Amsterdam/Goldstern)
1994
Team-Worldcup-Champion and Vice-Worldcup-Winner single/free-style(Den Haag/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix(Bremen/Goldstern)
1nd Volvo Weltcup-free-style 1nd Grand-Prix (CDI-Neumünster/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix und 1nd Weltcup-free-style (CDI-W Paris/Goldstern)
4nd Volvo Woldcup(Göteborg/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix und 1nd Grand-Prix-Special (Steinhagen/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix 2nd Grand-Prix-Special
1nd Grand-Prix und
1nd Grand-Prix-Special (Balve/Laudatio)
4nd Grand-Prix und 2nd Grand-Prix-Special (Balve/Ehrengold)
3nd Grand-Prix und 2nd Grand-Prix-Special (CHIO/Aachen)
11nd Grand-Prix-Special (CDI Frankfurt/Laudatio)
1995
1nd Grand-Prix-Special (Berlin-Olympiastadion/Goldstern)
3nd Grand-Prix-Special (Berlin-Olympiastadion/Gracioso)
2nd Grand-Prix-Special(Olfen/Gracioso)
4nd Grand-Prix-Special (Olfen/Laudatio)
1nd Grand-Prix(Steinhagen/Gracioso)
1nd Grand-Prix (Steinhagen/Goldstern)
1nd German Dressage Derby (Hamburg/Goldstern)
European Team-Gold (Mondorf/Goldstern)
1nd German-Team-Champion
1nd German-Champion/single (Gera/Goldstern)
1996
Goldmedal/ Team and 6nd /single (Atlanta/Olympic games)
2nd Worldcup-Europan Ligue(Garcon)
2nd Grand-Prix and
2nd Grand-Prix-Special (Berlin/Garcon)
1nd Grand-Prix and 1.nd Grand-Prix-Special (Olfen/Goldstern)
1nd Grand-Prix-free-style(Olfen/Garcon)
IVAN KIZAMOV FULL COMPETITION AND PARTIAL TRAINER RECORD
Medals: OLYMPIC GAMES:
1 gold - individual ( Mexico City 1968 )
1 gold - team ( Munich 1972 )
1 silver - team ( Mexico City 1968 )
1 bronze - team ( Tokio 1964 )
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS:
1 bronze - individual ( Aachen 1970 )
1 gold - team ( Aachen 1970 )
1 silver - team ( Kopenhagen 1974 )
EUROPIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS:
1 silver - individual ( Aahen 1967 )
1 silver - individual ( Wolfsburg 1969 )
1 bronze - individual ( Wolfsburg 1971 )
1 silver - team ( Aahen 1967 )
1 silver - team ( Wolfsburg 1971 )
1 silver - team ( Aahen 1973 )
1 bronze - team ( Kopenhagen 1965 )
1 bronze - team ( Wolsburg 1969 )
For 13 years, from 1964 through 1976 he was a leader of the USSR equestrian team. After finishing his personal riding career he worked as a head trainer of the junior Olimpic team of the USSR and later, he led the main Olimpic team.
Since 1957 till now ( 40 years!!! ) he has been a head trainer and lead figure in the eqestrian sports and businesses of the city of Saint Petersburg, RUSSIA
Well the US ought to be a shoe in then !
Anyone have hebermann’s showing record?
you minx, you’re missing the point again, eggy.
Good Grief
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you minx, you’re missing the point again, eggy.[/QUOTE]
I guess I am as well.:o
Can you explain it to me?.
I simply don’t see why everone is getting antsy about this.
What do you hope to change?
Do you really think Sjef will come on here and appologise personally to you?
It really doesn’t matter what you think of him, Anky thinks he’s OK, and after all she does alright competitively.
DanniS, it seems like you haven’t been reading throughout or following this thread, and I don’t want to continue repeating myself.
Meanwhile, you’re needed over at the "Sjef Quits (Spinoff) " thread. You might even want to take your remark, “Do you really think Sjef will come on here and appologise personally to you?” and post it again over there
Why you think I need an apology for his own international track/competition record is beyond me. It would be nice to have his bio somewhere though on the internet, without clear direction from previous posts here I wouldn’t have found any competition record on line.
DanniS, it seems like you haven’t been reading throughout or following this thread, and I don’t want to continue repeating myself.
Meanwhile, you’re needed over at the "Sjef Quits (Spinoff) " thread. You might even want to take your remark, “Do you really think Sjef will come on here and appologise personally to you?” and post it again over there
Why you think I need an apology for his own international track/competition record is beyond me. It would be nice to have his bio somewhere though on the internet, without clear direction from previous posts here I wouldn’t have found any competition record for Sjef on line.
I degress!!
I have been reading/following this thread and if you go back I have even previously posted also.
You don’t think it a bit odd that you feel the need to challenge his credentials when it really doesn’t concern you?
What makes you think that you are an authority on the Dutch dressage team?
Your snarky response wasn’t called for.
DanniS, "I degress!! "
Since DEGRESS isn’t a word, did you mean “I digress” ? If that’s what you meant, then yes, you are digressing. In a big way.
Again, "it seems like you haven’t been reading throughout or following this thread, and I don’t want to continue repeating myself. " LOL, I’m repeating myself… Just read my earlier post #110 please, I responded once already, thank you.
I humbly apologise for the typo I made.
It shan’t happen again.
I agree with a past post that you seem to be taking this way too personally.
Have you met Sjef?.
Has he done something to personally offend you?
I do believe this article says it all, nothing to argue with.
[B]Dutch team chef d’equipe Sjef Janssen has resigned with immediate effect.
“I’m a 200% professional and I expect that from my A and B squad, too,” said Janssen. “If I don’t get full commitment from them all and can’t get them all on the same line one-and-a-half years before the Olympics, then I think it is better for me to concentrate on Anky and the other individuals in the team who I train privately anyway.”
Under Janssen’s management, The Netherlands beat the German team for the first time in 28 years of competition at Aachen 2005.
George de Jong, the Dutch Equestrian Federations director for Top Sport expressed his disappointment at Janssen’s decision, saying: “We had a good feeling that we were on the right road for the preparations for Hong Kong. Janssen gave new stimuli to the management of the dressage team and worked on a very professional level.”
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Does it really concern you that much about his competition resume?
It seems that the proof iss in the pudding.
Ohoh, you spelled “is” wrong.
No doubt that negates everything else you have said.
Danni, something tells me (1) you’re still digressing (2) you obviously still haven’t read the thread yet.
Try to get around to reading post 96 while you’re at it. Okay?
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Ohoh, you spelled “is” wrong.
No doubt that negates everything else you have said.;)[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: Damn keyboard.
Must have a virus:winkgrin:
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Danni, something tells me (1) you’re still digressing (2) you obviously still haven’t read the thread yet.
Try to get around to reading post 96 while you’re at it. Okay?[/QUOTE]
I am not particularly interested in rehashing what you have posted, it is irrelevant.
What is interesting to me is that you took my reply so personally.
It was not necessarily aimed at you but if you would like it to be, consider it done. :lol:
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Good grief. My reply was to Sabine and dutchmike.[/QUOTE]
Um, yeah, that’s why was thank you! :lol: I was thanking you for correctly reading my post. 
