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What is a Ferro, if you don’t mind my asking?[/QUOTE]
Why haven’t you heard of “Ferro” Rocher that delicious spherical chocolate sweets consisting of a whole roasted hazelnut encased in a thin wafer shell filled with nutella/hazelnut cream and covered in milk chocolate and chopped hazelnuts. The sweets are individually packaged in a gold-coloured wrapper and contain approximately 0.3 kJ of energy? :lol:
… which brings us directly to Rocher, the Westphalian mare of similar coloring to Ferro http://www.equisearch.com/horses_riding_training/english/dressage/rocher030803/
Yes and no. To the USET, it makes no difference when he was found guilty of fraud (held liable for half a million dollars) if it was a civil court or not. What would the USET defense be for hiring the guy: he is not a criminal, it was a civil court case only? That would go over great at the fundraisers.
Technically you are probably correct, which is why I changed my post earlier. Mea culpa. However fraud still remains a criminal offense, and he is Persona Non Grata at the USET due to being found liable in court (if for no other reason).
Who cares if the guy is liked or not, that is completely irrelevant. Klaus would be out too with the same conviction.
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Yes and no. To the USET, it makes no difference when he was found guilty of fraud (held liable for half a million dollars) if it was a civil court or not. What would the USET defense be for hiring the guy: he is not a criminal, it was a civil court case only? That would go over great at the fundraisers.
Technically you are probably correct, which is why I changed my post earlier. Mea culpa. However fraud still remains a criminal offense, and he is Persona Non Grata at the USET due to being found liable in court (if for no other reason).
Who cares if the guy is liked or not, that is completely irrelevant. Klaus would be out too with the same conviction.[/QUOTE]
Civil fraud is not the same as criminal fraud. Since I am a white collar criminal defense lawyer, you might defer to my expertise on the issue. A default judgment is not the same thing as a judgment rendered after an adjudication on the merits. A finding of liability is not a conviction. You cannot be “convicted” in a civil matter.
Now, if you want to say that having a default judgment rendered against you makes you person non grata at a USET fundraiser, you are entitled to your opinion. But somehow, I think a number of DQs would be lining up to train with him or donate to a team trained by him. Just as there are many who flock to horse agents in Europe with far worse records than his, including one that is on the interpol red list and has been charged in the US for attempted murder.
Also, I love that for some people, posters here will quickly point out there are “two sides” to every story. But if someone is unpopular or – shudder – uses unpopular training methods, any allegations against them must be true (do you not get that a default judgment means that the court entered a judgment on the uncontested allegations of the plaintiff???).
Did you not get that he didn’t appeal the decision? Reasonable to assume: if he intended to coach at a high level for the USET, he would want this resolved correctly to clear his name. Rather, he was a no show at court and did not appeal.
What I don’t get is if he ever paid the penalty as the court requested. And therefore what happens if he tries to come back into this country and reside here for a month or so. And if interest is added to the original cost.
Again: irrevalant about his training methods and if he’s liked or not.
And who said he ever wanted to coach for the US? :lol:
here you go, which is why I wrote you can cross USA off the list:
[quote=freestyle2music;3463421]It’s not a secret that almost every important dressage-country wants to hire him as trainer and coach.
Rumours are that it probably will be Russia or the USA, while GB and some other countries are also in the picture.
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I already explained that he challenged the court’s personal jurisdiction over him, and in order to continue challenging that, generally speaking he could NOT appear in court without waiving that challenge. There is NOTHING nefarious about taking that approach; plenty of people and companies do. He appealed the jurisdictional ruling and lost. He did not have grounds to appeal anything else.
As I said, for all I know the guy is slime. But please, don’t attribute bad intentions to someone just because he followed the procedures available to him under our federal court system.
SM, he made no secret of the fact that he was coming to Las Vegas for World Cup and was in fact married there as well.
Postjudgment interest is available for unpaid judgments that are not time-barred.
Okay, fair enough. Yes, it was nice he picked Las Vegas to be married in, if I remember he was in and out of the US, didn’t stay long.
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Okay, fair enough. Yes, it was nice he picked America to be married in.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I get worked up. : )
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Sorry, I get worked up. : )[/QUOTE]
In my book - you’re a saint - carrying on as long and as patiently as you did…pearls…and you know the rest…;)!
There are certain groups here that will never be swayed…being swayed equates to
We have finally managed to be polarized…how BORING!! Only new blood can bring some excitement into this group of old fuddy-duddys…
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We have finally managed to be polarized…how BORING!! Only new blood can bring some excitement into this group of old fuddy-duddys…[/QUOTE]
Okay, but I am the first to admit that I am a former hunter princess, so watch out!
Glad you are around to explain the legal technicalities!
I suspect Sjef has signed a new contract by now, or atleast is in the final negotiating stages, we’ll just have to see…
Ferro “the Black Pearl”. At one time the leading dressage stallion. Has been dead for awhile now. Was a jumper before he was a dressage horse. Has a lot of approved sons. Not known to be super easy rides but very nice. Sire of Mythilus. I took Theo to mean a coach who is good with Ferros could fix Mythilus’ short neck issues, but I am probably reading way too much into it.
I don’t think SJ will ever be the coach in the US, but anything can happen. I am one of those who thinks he is a slimy character but you can’t argue with his results.
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Ferro “the Black Pearl”. At one time the leading dressage stallion. Has been dead for awhile now. Was a jumper before he was a dressage horse. Has a lot of approved sons. Not known to be super easy rides but very nice. Sire of Mythilus. I took Theo to mean a coach who is good with Ferros could fix Mythilus’ short neck issues, but I am probably reading way too much into it.
I don’t think SJ will ever be the coach in the US, but anything can happen. I am one of those who thinks he is a slimy character but you can’t argue with his results.[/QUOTE]
Ferro was brought to the top by Johan Hinnemann and Coby van Baalen, Sjef would never have the patience to go all the way that Ferro needed to reach the top. Furthermore you can give Sjef any name you want, but certainly not “slimy”. He always has his heart on his tongue and just say what he wants to say, and he wipes his ass with what people think or write about him.
Theo
Nee, op z’n mouw. At least, in English op z’n mouw. 
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Ferro was brought to the top by Johan Hinnemann and Coby van Baalen, Sjef would never have the patience to go all the way that Ferro needed to reach the top. Furthermore you can give Sjef any name you want, but certainly not “slimy”. He always has his heart on his tongue and just say what he wants to say, and he wipes his ass with what people think or write about him.
Theo[/QUOTE]
There you go Theo. In my world, anyone who uses something other than toliet paper to wipe their a**, is slimy. (and wouldn’t those words kind of sting or rub you raw?) Maybe it is a translation problem. To me Sjef is good at what he does and may or may not be full of a lot of sh**, but in looking at him I am no doubt always left with a sort of creepy slimy feeling. (sort of like Bill Clinton). Don’t feel that way about Anky or any other famous dressage people. Maybe it is just his hair and wardrobe choices.
The coach I was referring to with my Ferro comments was Johan Hinnemann and not Sjef. On a little side note, I bet if JH were to become the coach he would be as much or more into selling horses than Klaus has been. Lot of horses in the US are referred to as “Hinnemann Horses”.
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Ferro was brought to the top by Johan Hinnemann and Coby van Baalen, Sjef would never have the patience to go all the way that Ferro needed to reach the top. Furthermore you can give Sjef any name you want, but certainly not “slimy”. He always has his heart on his tongue and just say what he wants to say, and he wipes his ass with what people think or write about him.
Theo[/QUOTE]
Theo, I hope you understand I was not saying I think he is slimey. I was just saying that I don’t know the man one way or the other, and was simply trying to set the record straight here with regard to a legal problem he had. The only things I know about him is that his students win a lot, at some point in the last couple of years there was some tension between him and the riders he was training because he thought they should work harder and be fitter, and he can be fairly humorous at clinics (which I have on video). Oh, and he might have the same hairdresser as Rod Stewart.
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Theo, I hope you understand I was not saying I think he is slimey. I was just saying that I don’t know the man one way or the other, and was simply trying to set the record straight here with regard to a legal problem he had. The only things I know about him is that his students win a lot, at some point in the last couple of years there was some tension between him and the riders he was training because he thought they should work harder and be fitter, and he can be fairly humorous at clinics (which I have on video). Oh, and he might have the same hairdresser as Rod Stewart.[/QUOTE]
Sjef comes from a topsport family (cycling) and only wants full dedication of his riders when they want to reach the top. In every interview Anky is always complaining about the fact that Sjef never is 100% satisfied with her or Sali’s performance. The period you are referering at was about the fact that Sjef set up all kind of programs for our national A- and B-team riders. And when some of these riders didn’t attend these programs (because they had clinics, shows or parties) he quit his job as our national coach. A few months later the same riders asked him back. The most humerous one of the family is Anky and to a lesser degree Sjef. I think the way he wears his hair is showing to the wold “his middlefinger” .
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