Sled or Wagon?

I’m teaching my mare to drive. Only problem is we’ve hit a bit of a wall; there’s not much to do! She’s pulled tires and bouncy unpredictable logs with ease. My next step I feel needs to be something more “practical”. I want to start her with something that I can actually drive. But what would be best? I’m between a sled and a 4wheel cart. I dont even want to mess with 2 wheels because of balance issues and whatnot. She’s used to ropes around her leg from the draft pulling type stuff, but if i did wagon I’d have to get some pvc pipe for shaft training as well.

Other than that, what would be best to pull thru more slick/muddy areas? It stays pretty wet here in winter and I dont wanna tear up too much grass haha. However She’s used to riding in mud so its not her that would be a problem.

Beginning driving horse in a 4-wheeled carriage…hmmmm, crash and burn comes to mind. If they back up, what happens with a carriage…it happily jackknifes and you either play snap-the-whip with the vehicle or it flips as the carriage hits the maximum of it’s turning arc and over you go. Not a good thing

Balance isn’t really an issue, you’re talking getting your mare to drive…if she’s used to being ridden, a few pounds in the driving saddle is nothing compared to you in the saddle on her back.

I’d suggest taking her to a trainer who has the correct equipment to put to for her first few times. No 4 wheelers, too high a potential to have a very bad disaster (are there good disasters?).

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I agree with the above. 4 wheeled vehicles and a horse pulling for the first time can = expensive & potentially harmful crash. Even with a 5th wheel for steering they’re generally not great for starting a horse. Generally speaking you want to put enough weight behind the horse to discourage a runaway but not so much that you discourage it from pulling altogether. A 4-wheel cart is usually too heavy for one human to move but fairly easy for a horse because there’s little drag resistance and no weight transfer from balancing it.

Sleds:
Pros - enough drag to prevent or diminish the severity of a runaway. (It’s not a coincidence that sleds are used for weight pulling competitions!) Cheap to build. Easy entry/exit for the driver in an emergency.
Cons - the noise of a sled dragging can spook the $&&)(:@'hh out of some horses.

Two other options to try would be a farm style forecart like Pioneer makes or using an old truck hood for a sled. Check out the forecarts. They’re a very different beast from a pleasure-style 2-wheeled vehicle like a Meadowbrook. Meadowbrooks are a death trap if you have a runaway. No brakes, too light to ride the horse, and the design necessitates having to jump over the wheel to bail out in an emergency. The farm forecarts are kind of like the tractor of a tractor trailer. They come equipped with brakes, you enter/exit by stepping up about a foot from the ground, and have a rear hitch to accommodate farm implements, hay wagons, etc. They’re great when you need to get a lot of weight behind a new horse or team for safety but aren’t sure how they’ll do with something dragging behind them. (We once hitched a Ford 450 behind one for a new team.)

The forecarts are infinitely versatile. I originally bought mine for a horse that had completly the opposite needs of a young, strong horse. My aged Percheron gelding loved to go out driving but had arthritis to the point that he needed something lightweight and with brakes so I could hold the cart back off him going downhill so the britching didn’t sweep him off his feet. It was light enough that I could juuuuuust move it myself over a short distance on flat ground if I needed to. I believe they also sell sled runners for them so you can convert them in the winter.

Otherwise, consider dropping a single tree to the hood off an old truck. I know people that move 100s of roundbales a winter with this setup. Be careful with pulling logs. If you ever have a runaway it’s not enough weight to slow the horse and it doesn’t have to be a huge log for you to be seriously injured or killed if it swings out and hits you. Most people who log with horses like to use a logging arch for added safety. (Pioneer sells these, too!)

Good luck and have fun!

Pioneer forecarts are fun but heavy. You can stand and drive one like a chariot. Not cheap but last forever.