So I've been asked to gallop a couple of racehorses...

A trainer I’ve known for about a year has two horses who ran at Suffolk Downs today and another who scratched. He’s probably going to bring them back for the other two SD race days and then potentially take them somewhere else.

I was hanging around the barns after the races today and he asked me if I would ride them for him because he needs them fit. He’s got them at a farm about half an hour from my house and he told me to call him on Monday to work out the details.

Now, trainer is aware that my experience is limited. So I’m sure he’s going to have many instructions for me before he sets me loose. But does anyone here have advice or thoughts?

Also here are photos because I love these horses.

3-year-old gelding: http://i.imgur.com/VxkLfhc.jpg, http://i.imgur.com/HJYQqL0.jpg

7-year-old gelding: http://i.imgur.com/bWySpTy.jpg

9-year-old mare: http://i.imgur.com/Ik4DhGX.jpg

Check your tack very very carefully to make sure it is in good working order. Do you know how to tighten the girth while astride?

I promise I am not being snarky. Working a race horse and galloping/exercising a race horse are not the same thing. Working a race horse means going almost race speed for a certain distance, usually it is timed. There is much to learn like how to throw a cross etc, much of which has it’s own terminology so make very sure you and the trainer are on the same page when he gives you instructions. Don’t assume you know what he means, clarify everything. PS. There is no key to the quarter pole.

Have you galloped a racehorse before? One that has raced and knows what it’s doing? It’s a totally different feel than galloping a regular horse or even a baby that hasn’t run or worked. The majority of them will feel strong and heavier in the mouth than a show horse. It can be daunting and scary to feel out of control and the worst thing to do is panic and start pulling and tensing up - you will probably get run away with either because the horse knows he “has” you or because he thinks you want to breeze. You will want to put your reins in a bridge and keep a good hold of them and not let the horse get away from you, but at the same time stay relaxed as possible and think of getting into a nice rhythm.

Make sure you are in good shape. No matter what you will be sore the next day, but you don’t want to be so unready that you get weak halfway around the track. Your shoulders, lower back, thighs, arms, etc are going to get a big workout!

Stay towards the middle of the track if you can. It will keep your horse more relaxed as the rail is used for fast works. If there are others on the track with you remember the outside lanes are the slow lanes and you pass on the inside. Be prepared if a horse is working or galloping much faster comes up behind you and try to be a step ahead of not letting your horse take off after them.

When jogging you go the wrong way on the outside rail. You will most likely do that before the gallop and when finished to get back to the barn.

You will want to be on the left lead around the turns and the right lead down the straight.

You don’t have to ride super short just to gallop and I remember thinking I felt more secure with longer stirrups, but that is way more work. Shorter stirrups allow you to use your body weight and help hold the horse without wearing out your arms. Try and find a good balance between not feeling perched up there and unstable (it takes a little while to get used to riding short) and riding too long to be effective. Longer stirrups are usually for babies who are not strong andmore apt to leap and prop and need to be kicked along a bit.

[QUOTE=Laurierace;8304556]
I promise I am not being snarky. Working a race horse and galloping/exercising a race horse are not the same thing. Working a race horse means going almost race speed for a certain distance, usually it is timed. There is much to learn like how to throw a cross etc, much of which has it’s own terminology so make very sure you and the trainer are on the same page when he gives you instructions. Don’t assume you know what he means, clarify everything. PS. There is no key to the quarter pole.[/QUOTE]

Right, I know they are not the same thing, my mistake. He said he needed them fit and wanted me to ride them because he hasn’t had anyone to work them recently. I’m sure we’ll figure out more details over the phone or when I meet him at the farm.

I will make sure I am very clear on everything. I am already very clear on the fact that I need much instruction and experience before I can say I know what I’m doing.

I am not saying this to be snarky- I promise you. But just something I’ve learned from my time- most trainers who are willing to throw someone with no racehorse experience on seasoned racehorses are the type who either a) don’t care if you get hurt or b) are desperate for riders, either because they have gotten hurt or other reasons no one wants to ride for them (bad working conditions, non-payment, etc).

I just say this so you go in with some sort of sense of self preservation. Obviously you need to heed instruction. But if you feel unsafe, don’t be afraid to speak up for yourself.

If he’s trying to help you get a foot in the door, most trainers looking out for you would suggest starting with babies on the farm. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but babies don’t know what they are doing yet and will be more forgiving to you while you are learning. While they do green horse things, they allow you to build up your strength, technique, and knowledge before you are unleashed on seasoned racehorses who are ready to GO!

[QUOTE=keepthelegend;8304579]
Have you galloped a racehorse before? One that has raced and knows what it’s doing? It’s a totally different feel than galloping a regular horse or even a baby that hasn’t run or worked. The majority of them will feel strong and heavier in the mouth than a show horse. It can be daunting and scary to feel out of control and the worst thing to do is panic and start pulling and tensing up - you will probably get run away with either because the horse knows he “has” you or because he thinks you want to breeze. You will want to put your reins in a bridge and keep a good hold of them and not let the horse get away from you, but at the same time stay relaxed as possible and think of getting into a nice rhythm.[/QUOTE]

I got my horse 4 days after her last race and shortly after took her out on the 1/2-mile track where I board… so kind of? What you’re describing sounds familiar. Mare raced for 5 years and definitely still has racehorse in her (I need people to not jump on me for doing this occasionally, even my dressage trainer thinks it’s good for her). I do put my reins in a bridge and keep relaxed. But I want to be very clear that I do not think an OTTB - even a fresh OTTB - is the same thing as a racehorse in training.

Oh goodness, don’t I know it. I rode the racehorse simulator at the Saratoga Hall of Fame for the equivalent of a mile and a half race and I know that thing is a cakewalk in comparison.

[QUOTE=keepthelegend;8304579]Stay towards the middle of the track if you can. It will keep your horse more relaxed as the rail is used for fast works. If there are others on the track with you remember the outside lanes are the slow lanes and you pass on the inside. Be prepared if a horse is working or galloping much faster comes up behind you and try to be a step ahead of not letting your horse take off after them.

When jogging you go the wrong way on the outside rail. You will most likely do that before the gallop and when finished to get back to the barn.

You will want to be on the left lead around the turns and the right lead down the straight.[/QUOTE]

All sounds good. Most of the concepts are familiar but I’m sure I’ll need to keep reminding myself.

For the moment, the 3-year-old is out with an abscess so I’ll be riding the veterans. Both of these horses go to the post without a pony and are extremely chill in general. Hopefully no leaping and propping going on there.

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8304621]
If he’s trying to help you get a foot in the door, most trainers looking out for you would suggest starting with babies on the farm. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but babies don’t know what they are doing yet and will be more forgiving to you while you are learning. While they do green horse things, they allow you to build up your strength, technique, and knowledge before you are unleashed on seasoned racehorses who are ready to GO![/QUOTE]

The only baby he has on the farm is 4 months old, soooo…

It’s a small operation. He only has 3 horses in training and one of them is out with an abscess (the 3-year-old). And the other two he has are extremely easy to ride according to everyone I’ve spoken to. They go to the post without a pony and I talked to the people who rode them last year, they were barn favorites.

ETA: I’m sorry if anything I say sounds defensive, that is not my intent! I really appreciate all of the advice.

I have “taken in” a couple over the years. I quite enjoy “mentoring”. Looking for someone now. Work with the babies, “leg up” some, and work with some that I hope might make the transition to steeplechase racing, timber. And some re-schools.

When it comes to tack, all of my horses go out with a yoke, neck strap, oh crap strap. If the trainer doesn’t use one I strongly suggest getting one. I instruct all of my rider to always keep a finger/s in the “loop”. Especially in the beginning until they become very comfortable with the process. If the horse jigs, spooks at something, acts up, gives a little buck, gets on their hind legs the riders hands go right for the yoke and keeps them from “hitting” them in the mouth which can exacerbate the situation. Plus they can “steady” themselves and get back into position.

I generally send my horses out in a regular “hunt saddle” more comfortable for the horse and rider IMO. Especially beginners. The “little” exercise saddles are a little intimidating to some in the beginning. The rider is not “sitting” much anyway. But have the look and feel of what they are used to makes it easier.
Ride long, a lot of newbies think and or want to “look” like a jockey. Shorten your stirrups over time. But IMO it is never necessary to ride “racing short”. Unless the rider is very small in stature. It is as much about leverage as it is about strength. Very short people need to be a certain height about the horse’s withers to attain a good “leverage angle”. Conversely tall people like myself are at a bit of a disadvantage also.

It’s all about keeping a cool head. Easier said than done in the beginning. It is important to remember when a horse “acts up” especially when starting off, gets on its hind legs a bit, jigging sideways and throwing some playful bucks to “kick them on”. It they rear up starting off KICK them on, give them a smack on the shoulder or butt with your stick. But this can be “horse specific”.

Most trainers don’t ride, have never ridden let along galloped a racehorse. But they should know their horses. They should be able to give you some insight to their “quirks” how they should be ridden/galloped and what they like and or don’t like. Any trainer that throws a rider up, experienced or not without giving some “details” is a trainer that I would not want to work for. Even babies coming from the farm come with “back ground” information from the farm trainer. At least they should, mine do. Pretty detailed if the horse needs it.

Goes without saying there are some exceptions. But no trainer worth working for is going to leg up a “newbie” on a horse they know little to nothing about.
Upper body strength does play an important role. But IMO it is not paramount. Easy to tell a “gallop gal” they have pretty well defined back and shoulder “definition”. But IMO and experience too many try to “muscle” some horses to do what they want instead of finessing the horse with skilled hands and cool, educated mind. Guys especially by and large.

That’s not to say it doesn’t take a certain amount of “strength” because it does. But it is usually not the “strength” of the horse that zaps a rider’s “strength”. The biggest “zapper” of “strength” is “nervous tension”. I can ride, ski circles around most people who are younger and twice as “fit” as I am because I am completely “at ease with the process”. Most of the time.

Based on the trainer’s instructions and or detail how the horse “goes” the most important thing to have “together” right from starting off is your “grip”, “hand and rein position”. IMO and experience. Especially with strong horses. You and the horse must get into “frame” and stay that way until pulling up. Horses that “know the drill” know the drill. You get into “frame” depending on the horse, with a cross, bridge who what I call and used to be called, and maybe still is a “9-5” think of hands on clock. Once in position you “bury” your knuckles in the horse’s “sweet spot” their withers and hold that for however long the horse is galloping. This can be quite testing depending one’s fitness level, skill and comfort zone.

A lot of horses won’t let you “re-grip” Doing so they may, can, will get the “jump” on you and take off. At that point they can be really difficult to get back in “hand” and start running at or close to racing speed. In other words get run off with. This will piss off the trainer and if on the track piss off others also. Good chance you will get a “visit” from the track appointed “head exercise rider” for a little “talk”. It happens to the best of them. But if it happens a lot to the same rider it will be discussed in more detail with the rider and the trainer.

Trainers should know after a time or two which horse fit which riders. Every rider should know their limitations and feel no shame in saying to a trainer they don’t get along with a certain horse. That’s the first instructions I give to my riders. They do not have to get on a horse they do not feel comfortable with. I don’t want them getting hurt and or screwing up the horse.

If a horse gets away from you on the track it is PARAMOUNT to keep a cool head and ride it out. Do not exacerbate the situation by trying desperately to pull the horse up. Good chance the horse will react badly expectantly, turn, and veer into another horse, run through the rail, etc. Keep a cool head and “pilot” the horse, “coaxing” back into “sensibility”. They will run out of gas as long as you make sure they know you are in control of their head. Even if you are not completely.

On a farm in an open field situation you got to do the same, but get them to “circle”. There is no rail to do it for you. Digression is the better part of valor at times. Know when to “bail” and remember to “roll” when you hit the ground. Make it a controlled, planned “bail”. There are “smart, ballsy and chicken s**t” riders. I only like to work with smart ones. The “smart” riders have a combination of the first two.

Lean the basic racing terminology. I know what you meant by saying “work” the horses. But as others have pointed out. “Working” a horse is different than galloping a horse.

One of the most important things an exercise needs to learn is being able to communicate to the trainer what the horse is doing/showing/feeling. All horses know how to “run”. The trainer and rider’s job is to teach them how to “race”.

Hopefully there will be an experienced exercise rider around that will take you under their “wing” and give you advice and pointers. Everyone needs one.

The above are a lot of the basics from my point of view. Like all things horse, different strokes for different folks. In my experience the vast majority of riders are not “cut out” to work with racehorses by and large. But there is no shame in trying and realizing it’s not for you.

Sorry, didn’t mean to write a book. Hope it helps. I’ll come back and edit, correct for clarity. Got horse stuff to do lunch break long over.

Good luck.

Clarify what the trainer means, “has not had anyone work then in a while.” When were they last ridden? They might need a little re-intro session before you actually get on them.

Lots of good points. If you can ride around in 2 point for a few minutes with your horse, that’s the best simulator you can do. Don’t raise your stirrups more than one hole shorter than you normally ride - this needs to be done over time, your quads will BURN.

She said they just raced this week which makes no sense if he hasn’t had anyone ride them in a while. Maybe they were at the track and now are moving to the farm? Surely he didn’t pull them out of the field and stick them in the gate. I hope not anyway.

You have had great advice here already.

I have watched trainers who sound like this one, who are looking for a “rider”, and they are looking for a rider for a reason… and that reason is sometimes that no riders want to work for them any more. Can’t say if that is the case here, but perhaps it is. Ask him who has ridden for him before, and have a chat with that person/people. Get some references, if possible. Don’t just trust people that they are telling you the truth, or have your best interest at heart. Keep in mind that when a rider is hurt, some trainers just “get another boy”. In terms of being hurt, all exercise riders should be licensed by a racetrack as an exercise rider. This applies even on farms. This is why it can be difficult to get going as an exercise rider, because you are really not supposed to be galloping racehorses unless licensed, but until you have the experience to pass the examination, you can’t get the license. You should at least have an “occupational license” from your local racetrack to be able to do this. Talk to the stewards at your local racetrack before proceeding. They may also give you some information about the trainer you are considering working for.

If the horses have just raced, they are fit. It is not necessary that they actually “gallop” on a training track right away. If you are going to try this job, heeding all advice given here already, it might be a good idea to try riding these horses in an arena first, for a few days even, and just trot and canter a bit. Won’t hurt them to do this, and might help you get the feel of them without being on a racetrack for the first time you are on their back. Because stepping out onto a racetrack of any sort with a seasoned veteran underneath you can be an eye opening experience.

Good luck!

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You have had great advice here already.

I have watched trainers who sound like this one, who are looking for a “rider”, and they are looking for a rider for a reason… and that reason is sometimes that no riders want to work for them any more. Can’t say if that is the case here, but perhaps it is. Ask him who has ridden for him before, and have a chat with that person/people. Get some references, if possible. Don’t just trust people that they are telling you the truth, or have your best interest at heart. Keep in mind that when a rider is hurt, some trainers just “get another boy”. In terms of being hurt, all exercise riders should be licensed by a racetrack as an exercise rider. This applies even on farms. This is why it can be difficult to get going as an exercise rider, because you are really not supposed to be galloping racehorses unless licensed, but until you have the experience to pass the examination, you can’t get the license. You should at least have an “occupational license” from your local racetrack to be able to do this. Talk to the stewards at your local racetrack before proceeding. They may also give you some information about the trainer you are considering working for.

If the horses have just raced, they are fit. It is not necessary that they actually “gallop” on a training track right away. If you are going to try this job, heeding all advice given here already, it might be a good idea to try riding these horses in an arena first, for a few days even, and just trot and canter a bit. Won’t hurt them to do this, and might help you get the feel of them without being on a racetrack for the first time you are on their back. Because stepping out onto a racetrack of any sort with a seasoned veteran underneath you can be an eye opening experience.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

You make good and valid points. But in all fairness to trainers I would be careful of “scuttlebutt”. There are always disgruntled ex-employees. Especially in the horse world, be it racing or sport.

I believe someone should be given the benefit of doubt when only hearing one side of things.

As to licensing it is true that all exercise riders have to be granted a license to gallop on the racetrack in this country. What I mean about by “racetracks”, the tracks that run races. Not private training centers.

Riders in this country are not required to be licensed to gallop at farm and the private training centers that I know of. People who want to get licensed pretty much all start out at training farm, centers etc.

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8304621]
I am not saying this to be snarky- I promise you. But just something I’ve learned from my time- most trainers who are willing to throw someone with no racehorse experience on seasoned racehorses are the type who either a) don’t care if you get hurt or b) are desperate for riders, either because they have gotten hurt or other reasons no one wants to ride for them (bad working conditions, non-payment, etc).

This…plus…Having been in the racing business for over 40 years…and ridden show/hunt/event horses for a long time before that…I can say this…riding “experienced” race horses is NOT an entry level job!! The horse knows HIS job…a green rider doesn’t have a clue how strong a “real” race horse is to ride!! I personally would be very leary of this “opportunity”!! Years ago, at our training center in NC…we gave an “experienced” show rider a chance to gallop one of our quietest, unraced TB two year olds. One lap around the 3/4 mile track at a “canter”, the girl tumbled off from exhaustion standing in a two point for one lap. She sat in the middle of the track as the colt walked to the nearest human to be “saved”!! Please use caution!! Watch someone else gallop each horse before you try it. This is not a “learn as you go” experience!! A fall off a galloping horse can result in severe injury. Good luck…BE SAFE!!

[QUOTE=Laurierace;8304556]
PS. There is no key to the quarter pole.[/QUOTE]

How about a Saddle Stretcher or a Bucket of Steam?

[QUOTE=Dahoss;8306088]
How about a Saddle Stretcher or a Bucket of Steam?[/QUOTE]

Check Ebay

[QUOTE=crosscreeksh;8305954]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8304621]I am not saying this to be snarky- I promise you. But just something I’ve learned from my time- most trainers who are willing to throw someone with no racehorse experience on seasoned racehorses are the type who either a) don’t care if you get hurt or b) are desperate for riders, either because they have gotten hurt or other reasons no one wants to ride for them (bad working conditions, non-payment, etc).

This…plus…Having been in the racing business for over 40 years…and ridden show/hunt/event horses for a long time before that…I can say this…riding “experienced” race horses is NOT an entry level job!! The horse knows HIS job…a green rider doesn’t have a clue how strong a “real” race horse is to ride!! I personally would be very leary of this “opportunity”!! Years ago, at our training center in NC…we gave an “experienced” show rider a chance to gallop one of our quietest, unraced TB two year olds. One lap around the 3/4 mile track at a “canter”, the girl tumbled off from exhaustion standing in a two point for one lap. She sat in the middle of the track as the colt walked to the nearest human to be “saved”!! Please use caution!! Watch someone else gallop each horse before you try it. This is not a “learn as you go” experience!! A fall off a galloping horse can result in severe injury. Good luck…BE SAFE!![/QUOTE]

All true. But nobody “comes out of the box” an racehorse exercise rider.

Gotta start somewhere. Hopefully they start with someone that knows what they are doing and how to teach/mentor

For those who have or will be mentored remember they are doing you a favor not the other way around.

Never Forget those who have given you a “leg up” in any endeavor. Especially in the racehorse business. If you do right by them they will do right by you.

When it’s time to “move on” to bigger and better things they will “make the call” make introductions and make sure you are in the “right hands”.

Remember they are putting THEIR name behind you. Respect that the same as you would your parents. Make them proud.

We can open the door for you and we can close it tight. The racehorse business is a small world. I assure you.

Try and “hitch” your wagon to the best. Even if the money is not as good as others. Prove yourself and the money will come. Most of the time.

The OP has yet to come back on here and say thanks to those of us who have taken the time to give some pointers and what to do and not to do. The OP has had time to go on other treads. So its not like the OP is not around.

People seem to forget these days that those of us who take in Newbies are doing them a favor. I pick my spots very carefully these days. I won’t wast my time and expertise on “tire kickers” anymore.

Not many “schools” out there that pay their “students” for an education last time I checked.

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The OP has yet to come back on here and say thanks to those of us who have taken the time to give some pointers and what to do and not to do. The OP has had time to go on other treads. So its not like the OP is not around.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate the good advice I’ve gotten here, honestly just didn’t know how to respond and then I lost track of it for a while. Thank you for taking the time to offer your guidance. I’ve spoken with the trainer and I’m going to meet him at the farm on Thursday. I’ll keep everything I’ve heard here in mind.

I know this is not easy, and that I very well may not be cut out for it. But I’m excited for the opportunity, and I am looking forward to Thursday. Thanks everyone for what you’ve given me to think about.

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[QUOTE=crosscreeksh;8305954]

All true. But nobody “comes out of the box” an racehorse exercise rider.

Gotta start somewhere. Hopefully they start with someone that knows what they are doing and how to teach/mentor

For those who have or will be mentored remember they are doing you a favor not the other way around.

Never Forget those who have given you a “leg up” in any endeavor. Especially in the racehorse business. If you do right by them they will do right by you.

When it’s time to “move on” to bigger and better things they will “make the call” make introductions and make sure you are in the “right hands”.

Remember they are putting THEIR name behind you. Respect that the same as you would your parents. Make them proud.

We can open the door for you and we can close it tight. The racehorse business is a small world. I assure you.

Try and “hitch” your wagon to the best. Even if the money is not as good as others. Prove yourself and the money will come. Most of the time.

The OP has yet to come back on here and say thanks to those of us who have taken the time to give some pointers and what to do and not to do. The OP has had time to go on other treads. So its not like the OP is not around.

People seem to forget these days that those of us who take in Newbies are doing them a favor. I pick my spots very carefully these days. I won’t wast my time and expertise on “tire kickers” anymore.

Not many “schools” out there that pay their “students” for an education last time I checked.[/QUOTE]

THIS is so true. Aside from the time and effort any “mentor” takes. There is a HUGE risk to the horses as well!! A loose race horse…because an exhausted or terrified newbie falls or bails off…is in MAJOR risk of injuring himself or others. Good luck to the OP, but remember to watch out for yourself. Not all trainers in need of an exercise rider are 100% honest as to the character and training of some of their horses. If OP gets hurt…trainer will just find another wannabee rider to try out. Not meaning to be cynical…but I’ve seen a lot of newbie wrecks in my career!!

Agree with the posts above about making sure you are superbly physically conditioned and have excellent endurance capabilities. It’s been said that professional race jockeys and professional ballet dancers are among the top strongest endurance athletes in sports.