We are going to do a full check, I’m trying to agree it…
But just today my horse also had a mild problem to get up when lied down in sand 
Though other two times were ok, but I feel even more discouraged.
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Yeah, I’d pursue a more thorough exam. That’s just because I’m the type of person that needs answers and information.
I have a 3 year old PRE, sports type, and although he is rather hypermobile, I can’t fault his coordination and awareness of his body. Sure, he isn’t as strong as other more adult horses, but he’s never felt unsteady or uncoordinated.
I do think there might be a bit more than just “young horse weakness” going on here, but I’m not sure exactly what it is.
I’m same… I need to know what it is to accept whatever outcome, otherwise I’ll never let it go
Yeah originally he seems rather aware and I didn’t see some red flags… But now for sure it’s a lot of red flags here and there with the hind limbs. Problem is that I cannot even find some other hope as there seem to be no easy-to-cure diagnosis with this symptom of hind legs issues, even if it’s not Wobblers 
The success stories are very few.
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Are Lyme and EPM possibilities in your area? I did a quick search and it looks like EPM is much less of a likelihood in Czechia? Lyme is pretty easily treated if it’s that.
I just went back and watched a bit of the video you posted. He does seem to know where his limbs are. I’ve also seen a “normal” horse move a bit with the tail pull to stabilize themselves to brace against the pull.
Young horses can also be goofy. They don’t always pay attention or take things seriously. So there can be a slight element of that. If they’re distracted while someone is doing something with their body, it’s going to be different. If I were to pick up my horses front leg and stretch it, move it, or whatever when he’s looking at something or just being distracted by something, it’s different to him focusing on me and his body, if that makes sense. He doesn’t fall over or do anything too crazy, but it’s just different to when he’s relaxed and focused. I don’t know if that makes any sense at all 
but in my head it does.
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Well, today I got a bit lost and rotated him too much while trying to pick up some things that fell from my pocket, and suddenly saw that as he turned he had his hind legs super crossed and was just standing like that… Then he had some issues getting up - I will upload the video, that scared me the most, and I did not really see it happening before
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Lyme is possible in the area, but I would expect fever also in some point? I’m with horses every / every second day, so I’d expect not to miss that. EPM seems extremely unlikely.
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@IPEsq sorry, but I have to disagree… I have a confirmed diagnosed wobbler via myelogram and he has been a retired pasture pet for the past eight years… He gets around with no issues whatsoever can lay down get up and is not ataxic Since being retired… I keep him on vitamin E, and he has been happy and sound living a retired life ever since.
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@sapvi I’m sorry, but that’s just bad advice you were given… it’s never bad or a wrong idea to do diagnostics and get all the info possible before making any decisions. forgive me if this has been set already, but what did the vet that checked your horse actually diagnose or think that it is?
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@sapvi you do not always have fever with Lyme disease… Take it from me who has had several horses that have had it… it’s very treatable… But do know that if left untreated it can cause neurologic symptoms and weakness, lethargy, loss of appetite, anorexia, alternating lameness , spookiness , reactions to touch , among many other symptoms
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The vet did just regular neuro check I did like one month ago myself when I first got bad feeling about him and tried to research a bit. That included tail pull test during walk (pretty bad result), going uphill and downhill with head up (downhill did look good, but I wasn’t convinced that it wasn’t because he was excited and it was slippery a bit), small circles looked “not as bad as vet thought it would” (citing her words). She also observed his movements and said that she sees ataxic movements in hind limbs. Here I’m too be honest to blind to see it, but some other people also commented on this. I just lack experience in detection of subtle move deficiencies.
Anyway, I’ve managed to do videos of free runs today. The horse in question is the bay one. Feel free to take a look. I’ve managed to also film that shitty moment when he didn’t manage to get up Didn’t see it before in him. It’s in the longest video at about ~1:00 it’s visible how he struggles to get up, but the getting up before and after that are OK.
https://youtube.com/shorts/OypWsgZ9Ins?si=4qG2Is_PtecDMYC8 (with getting up)
https://youtube.com/shorts/RPG-alaNq6Q?si=VFT0e-RA0GpDO1Io
https://youtube.com/shorts/GSuw2mF4VfI?si=2Re9UEguMHjqmbKK
https://youtube.com/shorts/ApBh7E2lZwQ?si=4kNghXSYJrDFVyg2
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Didn’t know it can be without fever! And I think it’s very possible in the area, even know a person with it. Thanks for idea, will not remove it from the “suspect list” then! It also would make some sense as I think first neuro signs were in the stable which was much more in nature, and where I was also not so often (was almost 100km far) so I could have missed the onset 
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Yes …and the signs can subtle/slight and not all the time too
I don’t see anything too alarming in these videos other than some mild hind end weakness when trying to get up and in the second video when he first canters off took an off/disunited step when cantering off …I would bet it’s something in the neck …I would definitely try to get him to a specialist and get a further work up done.
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Yes it’s not too alarming yet, I think. But I think I see more red flags than several months ago. It’s also possible that’s because I’m reading about different neuro diseases since that time 
I’ve found a guy who would drive us to Germany, but I’m still waiting for at least approximate price from the German clinic, I don’t have bags of money hidden under the pillow. I hope they reply by Monday, because I’m going crazy already!
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A lot of horses that don’t seem quite right end up with Lyme. Definitely don’t HAVE to have a fever.
With that said, bloodwork isn’t always helpful and similar to EPM in that you can have a horse with no symptoms throw a titer or have a symptomatic horse but a low titer. There aren’t hard definitions and usually ends up if you treat it, and it improves, that’s pretty likely what was going on.
Usually with Lyme and EPM, the horses ARE exposed if it’s in the area. There’s something different with the immune system function in horses that can’t fight it off.
There needs to be a lot more research sadly. We know a lot more than before, but it doesn’t seem like enough 
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Yes… Once you “see and recognize neurologic” It’s all you will notice -I have found and the more you will be in tune and pick up on things. I wouldn’t go too crazy -your boy doesn’t seem that ataxic or a danger to himself or others…I would just not ride him for the time being …here in the USA it was about $3000 for the full neurologist work up at the university hospital which included the very detailed physical exam, bloodwork (Lyme, EPM, Vitamin E levels), neck & back Xrays and the Myelogram which is what accurately tells you if there is compression of the spinal cord.
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I think the more obvious thing to me with the video, is that your bay, for being a young PRE (we have a two yr old in my barn) seems pretty subdued, especially compared to his turnout friend. That COULD just be his her personality? It could be more; discomfort, caution, lack of coordination from something else going on though too.
My price guess was similar, hope it is correct! Not sure I could give more just for the tests, I’m just a relatively recent graduate
