When I glanced at this topic yesterday I knew there was a fishy story here but I had not read any of MJ other posts.
I work for a vet and a normal healthy horse would have come out of a cast situation more than likely fine… (at least what she described).
K- I am guessing she is a friend of yours? I don’t understand how you can justify a 16 yo not doing something about a horse wasting away? If she could not afford tests and treatment she could have tried to find a rescue group that could help. Having many Tb’s myself I know sometimes weight is an issue with them, but please! At 16 she should have gotten this horse some help! If you can’t afford to take care of them, then don’t own them! I don’t mean expensive surgeries that might or might not work that would run thousands… but she could have done many things to help this guy out if indeed he had ulcers. AND I have yet to see a horse waste away completely from ulcers! Thin yes, but emaciated no.
If the horse was not emaciated as Touch said… then what exactly was the deal?
By her own admission the horse’s vitals were good until he was put down. He just was exhausted. Any normal horse that was exhausted… give them IV fluid therapy and maybe tube him to get his energy level back up. You don’t just put them to sleep a few hours afterward. There must be more… blood cell counts being off. That is SO vague. Cell counts are off after any major muscle event so that tells you NADA.
“I agree completely, being an abusee does NOT make you an abuser. Having no self control and no positive outlet for your frustrations makes you an abuser. There is never an excuse.”
This statement is so true. Physical, emotional, or sexual abuse is no excuse. I have been there and I found solace in my animals. I just don’t buy the cruel to animals because of abuse a valid reasoning. We are all responsible for our own actions and while that does not mean we do not make mistakes, being responsible means being able to admit we make them, reaching out for help, and learning from our errors.
She was of course, a rescue. She has learned some sign language and has turned out to be a great dog around the horses.
The reason he was put down was unrelated to his weight issue, and they (she and her vet) tried very hard to not have to, but it just wasnt going to work. I posted about this already on the other thread that was closed…maybe a moderater could copy it here? Thanks…
Cass
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Fearfully, only time will tell, for it is all a leap of faith…
Life is not a spectator sport!
Smile…it makes people wonder what you have been doing 
ERIN… Sorry. I wholly agree no one should make accusations like those being made earlier today unless they were THERE. Protesting that they know “what happened” but refusing to give any proof in the matter (if they indeed have it) is just adding insult to injury.
Awful situation, awful story, awful thread.
The one who was betrayed the most was Cherry Upper. Maybe he was not even cast but just down from malnutrtion and exhaustion. Betrayed by someone who was trusted to care for him.
I am sorry,but I cannot forgive her for her ignorance and selfish pride.
Especially with the multitude of postings and excuses she made on here as though there was no problem. Joking as though nothing really happened the night that Cherry Upper died.
Everyone has offered help from way back.
Someone said they could see a group of BB’ers embarking on a road trip to save this horse.
If he was alive today, he would not be where he died.
Kcorseinop
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> something like this could very easily drive a young girl to suicide <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Statistics show that those at the most risk of suicide are NOT the ones who protest their worth to a crowd.
Obviously, M_J has difficulty with her own self worth. Proclaiming her efforts, knowledge and talents to all who would attempt to assist her when she posted her questions and difficulties set off the alert on many here and caused others, such as myself, to place ourselves in her supposed postition.
Your leap into the possibility of BB censure causing an unthinkable incident is just not justifiable. M_J brought this entire situation to us and onto herself by her self centered, semi-hysterical postings of the past several weeks.
I, like you, and many, am of the opinion that what is done is done. Shame on her, me, neighbors, parents, etc. I hope she, we, they, all learn a BIG lesson.
Poor Cherry Uppers. Poor breeder who had hoped for this young animal to have a long and happy life while giving a young girl the opportunity most horse loving kids dream of.
Do not turn this into a “blame the people who did their DAMNDEST to help M_J and the horse” scenario. Do not turn this into a “blame the person who stood up and told what really happened” for ANYTHING that M_J has go wrong with the rest of her life.
It is up to Musical Jumper to make restitution to herself, the people who believed in her (and I mean prior to her whining to us on the BB) and to the memory of that poor horse that never had an opportunity to achieve his potential, much less live a normal and healthy life.
The only thing that will make this tragedy better is for M_J to learn the very hard lesson, get her act together and to make each day from here on out better for having her doing her best with herself and the opportunities that life has blessed her with.
[This message was edited by Everythingbutwings on Oct. 24, 2001 at 08:59 PM.]
He will be in my prayers tonight and he will live on in our dreams.
[This message was edited by Bumpkin on Oct. 23, 2001 at 07:47 PM.]
I think she is in school - as stated by a previous poster she is only 16 and not able to be on the computer at work like some of us 
Personally, until proven otherwise, I am going to go on the hope that if the vet had seen anything amiss, he would have reported it. None of us are going to bring Seger back, regardless of the circumstances surrounding this. KAM, I completely understand how you feel - the thought of Seger cast in the stall repeatedly banging his head was enough to turn my stomach, but again, I can’t bring him back. I don’t think MJ rehashing the details of what did or did not happen will change anything. I believe the people on this COTH board are educated enough to make decisions about their own horse’s care without the true, false or embellished details of Seger’s death. if nothing else, I do believe MJ loved her horse and it makes me sad to think of anyone having to lose something they care about whether it is a result of theur own lack of education or not. An adult in the situation should have stepped in long ago if there was something wrong.
Behind every good woman lies a trail of men
Well said EBW.
Maria
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by master_tally:
It is an absolute privilege to own one of these animals, and an even greater privilege to have them trust you entirely for their well-being. If you feel as if they are a burden, you SHOULD NOT own one. Nevermind two. If you can’t afford for routine veterinary maintenance care, you shouldn’t own one. If you can’t afford emergency care (because if an emergency hasn’t arisen yet, trust me, it will), you shouldn’t own one. If you can’t put your animal’s well-being before your own creature comforts (i.e. concert tickets, western saddle, etc), you shouldn’t own one. This applies whether you are 16 or 60.
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Extremely well said.
Emily proud
member of the junior clique!
Emily@catchride.com
I am so sorry for your loss. From what I saw, Seger was a beautiful boy. I know paying for all costs must have been tough on you and you are a good kid to have taken so much on.
I am very sorry that at such a young age you had to go through something as sad as this. But I know my little mare Suzy who we had to put down a few weeks ago was waiting up on the Rainbow Bridge for a tall handsome horse to escort her across. I am sure she will love your handsome seger.
Behind every good woman lies a trail of men
You guys, MJ doesn’t OWE you all anything. Imagine how hard it must be for her to get on this BB, and read people’s posts accusing her of not telling the whole story/lying about her horses death! I would be hurt to pieces! Please try to remember that MJ must be going through a very difficult time in her life, and she might be avoiding this thread altogether, which I think may be smart.
I know you guys are not rubing it in her face, but with all her emotions out of whack right now, that might be what it seems like. So be careful guys, okay? Remember that this board is open for everyone to read, it’s not a private conversation. I just don’t want anyone’s feelings to get hurt.
Thanks Guys
~Insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting different results~
I know that this situation has been very hard on you and thank you for finally posting what the “truth” is. This has involved so many caring people on this board and the hurt is deep with everyone.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We all have lives outside of this board(With the exception of maybe ErinB, Colin, and VTrider…but thats another issue… <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have an outside life, thank you very much. And I happen to like this one better!
Maybe I’m just being overly sensitive but I don’t think this even compares to the bridle threads and helmet threads. These people aren’t annoyed, they’re shocked. Big difference.
But M_J supposedly isn’t even here anymore, so whatever is said probably isn’t affecting her one way or the other.
Erin
~Stressed is Desserts written backwards…Concidence? I think not!~
M-J,
Times like this are so very hard and I suck at knowing what to say in these moments. Somehow “Sorry” doesn’t seem to be enough.
So, I have this poem that I got from a friend a long time ago during similar circumstances. It made me feel better and I every once and a while I find the need to share it with those who could use a little perspective…
I hope it will make you feel better too.
For A Little While
I’ll lend you for a little while
my grandest foal, he said.
For you to love while she’s alive,
and morn for when she’s dead.
It may be one or twenty years,
or days or months, you see.
But, will you, till I take her back
take care of her for me?
She’ll bring her charms to gladden you,
and should her stay be brief
you’ll have treasured memories
as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise she will stay,
since all from earth return.
But, there are lessons taught on earth
I want this foal to learn.
I’ve looked the wide world over
in my search for teachers true.
And from the throngs that crowd life’s lanes
with trust I have selected you.
Now will you give her your total love?
Nor think the labor vain,
nor hate me when I come
to take her back again?
I know you’ll give her tenderness
and love will bloom each day.
And for the happiness you’ve known
forever-grateful stay.
But should I come and call for her
much sooner than you’d planned
you’ll brave the bitter grief that comes
and someday you’ll understand.
By unknown author
I am very sad to see this thread deteriorate the way it has. I have not seen any proof provided by anyone that MJ is in anyway responsible for this situation. It has all been inuendo so far.
I think that at this point; unless someone has something definitive to post, I will not assume the worst of MJ. She has kept us posted on Seger’s conditions, to the best of her knowledge. She has come to us for advice time and again for Seger. We all knew that Seger had health issues that she was very concerned over.
I believe that to jump to conclusions is very harmful. Since I neither know MJ personally nor her detractors I have no way to determine the truth other than by giving MJ the benfit of the doubt. Therefore unless proof positive is provided I think that MJ is owed more than quite a few apologies.
Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!!
Hitch’s post of hearing enough, than that’s your choice to no longer read this thread. However, as long time posters here, many of us feel DUPED by this kid who involved us by her posts, and then makes up stories about how her horse died, neglecting the facts that she ostensibly caused this young horse’s death. I am angry because I feel used, and my guess is that many other longtime bb’ers here feel the same way. I also feel at a loss and frustrated-had we been told the truth (and I am sorry, but a 16 year old KNOWS when they are in over their head, and this kid has a cell phone-USE IT)…she could have sent out the rallying troops here and I can guarantee that someone in the tristate area there WOULD have even come and gotten that horse, had she wanted to save him. Yes, frustration, anger, sadness, we are feeling it. If you feel that this topic needs to end, then don’t read it-For me, I am quite bothered by the situation, and it does my heart good to grieve with my cyber “friends” who are also feeling the same way, and talking in the way which we are-just trying to make SENSE of what has happened to an innocent horse. Much like the talk of 9/11 when we just couldn’t fathom what was happening. “how could someone?”…some need to grieve in peace, others find comfort in talking it out…I am humbled by the outpouring of love and concern shown on this bb, and am proud to be a part of it. I am just so profoundly saddened that we could not do more…and that there are others out there like him.
totally agreed. I am very much a “cowboy up” kind of person. Everyone has their own crosses to bear, no matter how old. It’s the grace that one has carrying those that wins in the end. Whining about being young (it sucks!Waah…)…well, let me whine at being older and being a parent…paying the bills, schlepping my kids all over for school and dance… Would I trade it? Not on your life…But like your post, the reality is that many of us need a reality check and need to realize just HOW DAMNED LUCKY WE ALL ARE…we are the lucky to be able to afford horses, not to mention put food on the table, go to school…or would we like to wear a bhurka and have no medicine, no school, no voice? When whining gets loud, remember to look at all those flags flying and put some stuff in perspective. Just a thought…
“life is what happens when you are busy making other plans”…john Lennon
“Wherever you go-there you are!”
