All right guys, that’s enough.
If anyone still has a burning desire to address the original topic – on a GENERAL scale, not a specific one – start a new thread.
exactly 
Cass
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Fearfully, only time will tell, for it is all a leap of faith…
Life is not a spectator sport!
Smile…it makes people wonder what you have been doing 
Maybe this thread should be closed until M_J has a chance to explain herself, to prevent more rumours from starting and more nasty comments?! Whatever did happen, i’m sure this is the last thing that M_J would want to come home and see.
Yes we all have a good bond, this won’t break it ever.
I know that you would help me as quickly as dozens of other wonderful people we have met on this BB.
We cannot loose our trust because of ths incident, like ETBW has stated.
That’s the mental illness where the caretaker (usually a woman) harms a child (often her own) DELIBERATELY to recieve sympathy, support and attention. Sometimes it is deliberate starvation, or mild poisoning, or unnecessary enemas. Often it is suffocation. Remember Crib Death (aka SIDS)? The first, important medical paper on SIDS was based primarily on the case history of a woman whose 5 (or 6 - can’t remember)kids had ALL SUPPOSEDLY DIED OF SIDS. After the recognition of Munchausen’s by Proxy, that woman’s case was revisited. All the bodies were exhumed; they were able to prove MURDER in several of them! 25 years after the fact she admitted to killing all but the first one. That one she maintained she found dead in the crib. The sympathy and attention she recieved in the wake of the toddlers death were peculiarly attractive to her, and when she got depressed and felt ignored, she killed the second child and got an emotional ‘fix’
Wow! Doesn’t this sound somehow… familiar???
I’m not saying M-J has MBP, but I will say that all the folks who suggested counselling have the right idea.
MBP is fascinating. The woman above continued on for years. She even continued to get pregnant (for sympathy) so that she could eventually murder the child (BIG SYMPATHY!). They have caught parents on tape in HOSPITALS trying to administer more poison or alter the child’s meds in order to keep the doctors guessing and keep the sympathy flowing. I’ve even seen one tape where after checking around, the mother calmly takes a pillow from the empty bed and tries to smother the child. The videotographer alerted a nurse who raced in. The mother heard the racing footsteps, whipped the pillow back on the other bed and by the time the nurse ran in, the mother was sobbing hysterically, “he’s not breathing! Do something! He’s not breathing!”
Just amazing. Amazingly tragic that is.
~Kryswyn~
“Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo de doo de doo”
I’m so sorry 
Well said, Miniwelsh.
This whole situation has been making me sick to my stomach, for poor Seger, and yes, for MJ. It is too late for Seger to get any help. I know that he is in a better place now. Hopefully MJ is getting the help she needs. No matter what is true or false, I believe she’ll need it, if only to get through this.
We all have our opinions on this, but the general concensus is that our gut instincts were right and this owner needed more guidance than she got.
It concerns me that M_J wrote so many heart-wrenching posts that mobilized the great folks on this board when that same advice was pretty much forsaken. However, it has come out that several of you lived close by, and it wasn’t until he was at death’s door that you paid him a visit. (Touche - I know you feel a tremendous amount of guilt, I’m not trying to add to it. You had no idea it was that bad, I’m just pointing out something for ALL of us to think about in the future - ie, that it COULD be that bad).
There are about 100 other things I’d like to say, but so many of you have said them better than I could. All I know now is, if someone in Northern VA is having problems and asks for help on this board, I’m offering to get in my car and come out to see them if the posts warrant that. I would hope that the rest of you would offer the same.
- C
Okay folks, I’m not comfortable with some of the things being tossed around here. This thread needs to get away from hypotheses and supposition NOW.
Remember, all that is known is what has been posted on the BB. Please restrict your posts to discussion of that.
only you would notice that…
well, for my 700th post i will let y’all in about some info you may not know about Seger…
He was sired by Supron wh i have heard was great but never got to see, out of a beauty of a bay mare named Cherry Wouldn’t.
His registerd name was Cherry Uppers, and while he did race he never won.
just some tidbits of info…
InGate>> thank you…
Musical_Jumper
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[This message was edited by Musical_Jumper on Oct. 18, 2001 at 11:52 PM.]
Suzy,
While I am also concerned about the horses in Afghanistan/Pakistan, many BBer’s (myself included) are already active here in the US with horse rescue an in my circumstance, OTTB rescue. To suggest that our concern is misplaced simply because we are still worried about a horse whose life has ended seems unfair - particularly in this case, since all it seems we want, collectively, is some honest answers.
Making a donation to another worthy cause isn’t going to change my concern for this particular situation. I would hope that you would not beleive that pledging money is the simple answer to misfortunate horses? Knowledge, education, ownership, and responsibility should be the key elements of horsemanship, not just donating money. Whatever methods persons choose to achieve those goals (even, by perhaps, seeking answers on a BB), should be respected.
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From happening again?
There were warning signs. “Crap-meter” Triggers Went off all over the world reading about this horse.
Looking back…What could have been done?
What can we do in the future??? 
Always,
FairWeather
If you ever reach total enlightenment while you’re drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose. - Jack Handy
I have started to write this many times today. The more I read all these posts regarding this tragedy, the more I keep thinking about comments that MJ made in her recent posts. This is a child who said she didn’t want to cry in front of her parents. Her father made some comment about a bullet being cheaper than a vet to his daughter regarding her “sick” horse. Can you say “dysfunctional”?
I also keep thinking about a quote - paraphrased " You will forever be responsible for that which you have tamed". She let down that poor animal when he needed her most.
The whole situation is so incredibly sad…
I am glad to be able to hug my own horse while he frisks me for treats.
