full brother to Rosenthal??
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Rubin Magic, Rubinstein/Karon/T is solid black. He produces lovely babies.
http://www.exclusiveequines.com.au/k-z/rubin_magic.htm
Hibiscus is a lovely boy. He was owned by a Trak stud that had a full dispersal last year and I do not know where he ended up.[/QUOTE]
WOW…full brother, thought those lines looked familiar!
Wow – Full brother to Rosenthal? He’s an amazing stallion. Believe me, if he had no white, I’d use him in a millisecond! That being said, knowing that Rubin Magic is full brother to Rosenthal puts him at the very top of my list!
What do you all think of this guy?
http://www.exclusiveequines.com.au/k-z/kasparow.htm
I know very little about Trakehner pedigrees – but this guy is lovely, and most certainly multi-talented!
Someone mentioned French Kiss – he’s gorgeous, and I love the Florestans, but he does have a white pastern 
Have a look here as from memory this lady had some semen left she was willing to sell. I couldn’t take it as I couldn’t get it into Australia.
There is some Rubignon semen still in the States. One of the women in my GMO has some still in the tank. The owner may have some more as well. He is a lovely mannered stallion, I regret not having bred my mare to him back in the day.
Anyone know Dampezzo in Canada?
Don Frederico x Lauries Crusador xx X Weltmeyer
Born in 2002, approved in Germany.
There is lots of very good Rubignon semen in the US, I know he is in my barn:
http://www.rainbowequus.com/Rubignon.htm
Super horse, just imported again last month, here to stay…
Great semen, fresh or frozen
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There is lots of very good Rubignon semen in the US, I know he is in my barn:
http://www.rainbowequus.com/Rubignon.htm
Super horse, just imported again last month, here to stay…
Great semen, fresh or frozen[/QUOTE]
Or Edgar’s Grandom has just a little white (G & D line damside)
That is quite the list of boys you have going now Edgar!
Last time I read up on “markings” there really wasn’t enough known about the genetics of markings - other than tobiano and overo and their derivatives. I’ve had plenty of solid (SOLID) black foals with pinto sire and homozygous black mares over the years. It is believed that black is a pattern masker - which often takes care of pinto.
There is also some discussion that recessive sabino is more likely to show up than plain ol’ face and leg markings. You might take a close look at the markings - a small star or evenly edged pastern mark is different than a keyhold blaze or ermine spots in a pastern sock.
In all reality, if you are breeding your Friesian mare, you have a strong chance of getting solid (SOLID) black, since Friesians have a strong pattern block bred into them (since the registries won’t register anything with more than a small white star).
However, again, there is no conclusive studies yet on plain old face and leg markings that I’ve seen, and the question does come up quite often. I think the chrome producing stallions tend to actually be splash or sabino. By the way, chestnuts seem to have a higher incidence of those characteristics, even in recessive form, so although you would get Black or Bay (bay is a form of black), you are much more likely to get what you want from a Homozygous black, and probably not to worry about small white markings.
Probably not quite what you were after, but Indian Artbeat is tested ee aa with no white markings.
http://www.americanwarmblood.com/files/roster/pdfs/2008/indian_artbeat.pdf
Rubinus at Dreamscape Farm
Rosenthal is a full brother to Rubin Magic. Sinatra Song has no white. Both are Homozygous for black points.
Angela
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Last time I read up on “markings” there really wasn’t enough known about the genetics of markings - other than tobiano and overo and their derivatives. I’ve had plenty of solid (SOLID) black foals with pinto sire and homozygous black mares over the years. It is believed that black is a pattern masker - which often takes care of pinto.
There is also some discussion that recessive sabino is more likely to show up than plain ol’ face and leg markings. You might take a close look at the markings - a small star or evenly edged pastern mark is different than a keyhold blaze or ermine spots in a pastern sock.
In all reality, if you are breeding your Friesian mare, you have a strong chance of getting solid (SOLID) black, since Friesians have a strong pattern block bred into them (since the registries won’t register anything with more than a small white star).
However, again, there is no conclusive studies yet on plain old face and leg markings that I’ve seen, and the question does come up quite often. I think the chrome producing stallions tend to actually be splash or sabino. By the way, chestnuts seem to have a higher incidence of those characteristics, even in recessive form, so although you would get Black or Bay (bay is a form of black), you are much more likely to get what you want from a Homozygous black, and probably not to worry about small white markings.[/QUOTE]
Black tends to mask sabino overo markings…not necesarily other ones…and in WBs tobiano is linked to black/it’s REALLY hard to get a chestnut tobiano. (Not so with Paints…just WBs).
I agree with the Rubignon suggestion. I met him shortly after he arrived at Edgar’s, and was extremly impressed with every aspect of him. Lovely temperment, conformation, and I liked his videos quite a bit. Definately one you should consider 
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Black tends to mask sabino overo markings…not necesarily other ones…and in WBs tobiano is linked to black/it’s REALLY hard to get a chestnut tobiano. (Not so with Paints…just WBs).[/QUOTE]
Black masks color - it is definately a pattern represser :lol: Now, I’ve heard from several color warmblood breeders now that it is hard to get chestnut tobiano - I must be the only one who seems to keep generating chestnut tobis! My stallion is black and white Tobi, Art Deco grandfather, and he’s sired a few chestnut pintos, including one of my colts from last year. And another filly I bred a few years back by Nico (so same Samber WB pinto lines) is ALSO a chestnut Tobi. Both are listed on my Sales page on my website (although I think I’m keeping the 2008 colt, but if you are curious about chestnut tobis, there are a few of them out there!). AND I know another local rider who has a Nico offspring who is chestnut tobi.
[QUOTE=Oakstable;4075209]
Anyone know Dampezzo in Canada?
Don Frederico x Lauries Crusador xx X Weltmeyer
Born in 2002, approved in Germany.[/QUOTE]
Dampezzo has been sold to Canda after his stallion performance test.
http://bri-melfarm.com/stallions/dampezzo
Here you can find more information about his dam line at our homepage. Enjoy.
I used Sinatra Song on an R and D line mares, neither foal has an ounce of white and both Mothers do, not even a white hair!
I believe Tannehof has two solid black stallions with D blood…
• Don Carazon (Don Frederico – Weltmeyer – Graphit)
http://www.gestuet-tannenhof.com/cms/front_content.php?idcat=62&changelang=2
• Rousseau Noir (Rousseau – Del Piero – Lauries Crusador xx)
http://www.gestuet-tannenhof.com/cms/front_content.php?idcat=62&changelang=2
Solid Black Stallions…
You may want to contact the breeding farm of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police… They breed for black riding horses and I used to do business with them for several years when I had the Trakehner stallion Veneziano, a gorgeous, solid black (homozygous) boy by Guter Stern/Amagun.
Thanks for all the suggestions, folks. I wonder if anyone realized, however, that this thread is FIVE YEARS old! Lol! The question was asked in 2007! 
Yes, I did. But thought it was resurrected for a reason:-)
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