SOLVED: Cheshire Hunt Riders, PA - who of you remembers this 2006 dun QHX gelding?

[jules183]

Hello everyone,

I am hoping to find somebody in this forum who might have information for me in regards to my horse, or I should say, the history of my horse. In March this year I bought a 2006 Quarter Horse Cross gelding, 16.1 hands.

You can see pictures of him in this album:

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=18E7A44CF17C251F!435&authkey=!AImIsPFD6fdLST4

I am trying to find out more about his past and am hoping to be able to ultimately find his breeder to put together his history.

The trace that I have ends at Cheshire Hunt in PA right now. I do know that a young woman (who is probably one of Cheshire’s members or at least a rather frequent guest at the Cheshire hunts) bought this gelding in what must have been around Mid-2011 from some place out west. She bought him as a resale horse; trained and hunted him with Cheshire Hunt, until she sold him in December 2011.

I love this horse to bits and it would be wonderful to find out where he’s coming from, and what the “cross” in the Quarter Horse cross is…

Anybody who has any kind of info as to who the young lady is who hunted him with Cheshire Hunt in 2011, PLEASE get in touch with me. Or if anybody who reads this is a member of Cheshire Hunt or knows someone who’s a member there, I would very much appreciate it if you could help me get this message out to ALL the Cheshire Hunt members, through some sort of e-mail newsletter maybe. I did leave a message on the voice mail of the hunt office (they don’t have a valid e-mail address that I could track down), but so far have not heard back from the lady who runs the office. I thought maybe this forum might be another good way of finding out more information.

Thank you guys so much for reading this…and for any kind of information you can provide.

All best,
jules183

[kcmel]

He’s really cute! And distinctive looking, so I am sure someone will recognize him. I’m surprised I didn’t run across him–I was horse shopping at that time.

[Chall]

Sent you a PM suggestion

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

Don’t know anything about your horse, but I was in your position a few months ago and knew even less about my boy…I have since traced him back to his breeder in Canada and have touched base with his prior owners, who I think are happy to know he’s safe and well loved. It was worth the sleuthing I did! Good luck, and with his unusual coloring (beautiful horse!!), hopefully you will be able to track down his history.

[jules183]

Thank you! Good to know that sometimes the detective work pays off! Glad you found out the history of your horse. Maybe I’ll be lucky as well. But if not, then I’ll just love him as my mystery horse…

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

I’ll bet you find his history. The trainer (not mine) who sold my boy to me and the owner who sent him to be sold went through some work to wipe his history out, so to speak. But a little bit of YouTube (be careful what you post!) and a little bit of conversation heard on YouTube videos was VERRRRRRRRRY helpful

Regardless, mystery is a good thing sometimes, too :).

And look for a microchip. Mine came with one

[mbj]

from a hunting friend:If he came from “out west” to Cheshire as a resale there is a good possibility that he came from Mimi Tate in Sheridan. Wyoming. She is the broker who sold Nifty and does a lot of business here. Her phone # is 307-672-3371.

[jules183]

Wow, thank you mbj, that’s a good tip!! I’ll try that!

[GotMyPony]

I can be of no help on your original question but what a lovely horse… I hope you get the information you’re looking for and then share it with us! Good luck…

[jules183]

Will do! Also finally found what should be a working e-mail for the Cheshire Hunt on one of their downloadable pdf forms - maybe whoever receives the general e-mails will be so nice to forward the request to all the members. Calling them up didn’t work so well, haha…probably thought I was crazy when I babbled on the voicemail for 30 seconds… :winkgrin:

[jules183]

[QUOTE=kcmel;7054685]
He’s really cute! And distinctive looking, so I am sure someone will recognize him. I’m surprised I didn’t run across him–I was horse shopping at that time.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! Yes, hopefully his looks will help to find out who he really is! I’m thinking he’s probably a “love child” - some pony stallion got on a nice big QH broodmare or something like that…he’s so pony-like, it’s funny. Pony mind, pony almost everything except size…the newest theory is that maybe some Spanish Mustang might have been involved. He has quite a bit of knee action in the trot and canter, reminds me of how horses with Spanish blood move. Too bad there’s no DNA test for horses available that can determine the breed, I’d be the first in line!

[jules183]

Thank you so much to everybody who has replied to me. You guys are amazingly helpful! I’m still stunned from the news I found out today, that basically came out of this forum:
Last night, I received a private message from someone who recognized the horse, and she pointed me in the right direction. Turned out that it wasn’t Cheshire Hunt at all, but rather Radnor Hunt that he hunted with, and the message also pointed out who the seller was at the time. Sure enough, when I contacted the sales barn, the owner confirmed that this is the same horse. We already exchanged pictures, and yeah, that is my boy on the pics she sent me. So, my 7-year-old Quarter Horse Cross gelding is really a 9-year-old purebred registered Quarter Horse, with papers. Unfortunately one of the many owners he had within the last 2 years was not quite on the honest side and sold that horse without the papers, and I guess that’s when the wild stories started. There were even more previous owners than I had thought, and I won’t be able to track them all down, but it doesn’t matter. I now know who he really is, and I will try to get a copy of his papers through the Quarter Horse Association. I already found out who the last registered owner was (maybe his breeder), and I will hopefully talk to him soon.

So, again, thank you all so much for reading this and taking the time to answer - mystery solved!!!

[pleasantmeadowfarm]

jules183 - The Chronicle Forum saves the day again! I hadn’t been on in months, and one look at that face and I knew who it was. You’ve got a real prize in that horse - he’s super cool!!! A copy of his papers and some xrays are in your email box! Best of luck with him. Sorry to hear his age isn’t exact, but hey - he’s two years smarter that what you were told. Love on that handsome boy!

[Romahorse]

Would you mind sharing bloodlines? I fox hunt & event, & love the quarter horses!

[jules183]

[QUOTE=Romahorse;7095885]
Would you mind sharing bloodlines? I fox hunt & event, & love the quarter horses![/QUOTE]

No problem, here’s a link to his pedigree:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=KINGS+BOSTON+TROY&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

I have NOT contacted the last registered owner yet who’s probably the breeder, and while I’m hopeful that my horse is the one that the papers belong to (although the color is registered wrong - he is dun, or maybe dunskin, but not buckskin)…I will only believe that 100% when the breeder confirms it’s the same horse; plus I might do a DNA test for his parent lines and color genetics, just because I’m a freak that way, I just find horse color genetics interesting…yeah, I know, it doesn’t really matter, it’s just fascinating, that’s all. He has characteristics for both dun and buckskin which are genetically two different things, but they can be combined, and then you get a dunskin. If he’s the one he “claims” to be, that could actually be the case, because as far as I could see what colors are in his ancestry, there’s everything under the sun…palominos, bays, duns, buckskins, roans; he could really be a strange genetic mix in terms of his coloring.

Cheers!

[GotMyPony]

I’m hopeful that my horse is the one that the papers belong to (although the color is registered wrong - he is dun, or maybe dunskin, but not buckskin)…

We has a dun QH who was registered as a buckskin and we know the papers were legitimate. Turns out it can be hard (for some people at least) to differentiate when they’re young, so the AQHA is - or at least used to be - understanding in terms of dun and buckskin mix-ups.

Some of the markers for duns are a dorsal stripe (hence the redundant phrase “line-back dun”) and lower legs being somewhat stripe-y or zebra in appearance rather than solid black. It’s hard to tell in your photos but I don’t think I saw the dorsal stripe.

In either case, our mare was a great one and it sounds like your boy is, too. Ours has been sadly gone for several years and we still miss her.

And thank you for letting us know your mystery was solved!

[jules183]

Yeah, the dun vs. buckskin stuff can be confusing! My gelding has characteristics of both color patterns, which is why I would not be astonished if he turned out to be a dunskin. He’s got a light brown but distinct dorsal stripe, even though you don’t see it in the pics. He’s 16.1 and unless you WANT to take a picture of the dorsal or his ass (which so far I haven’t seen a reason to do that :D) it would be hard to show in normal pics when the photographer is on the ground. He’s got leg barring, though not super distinct, and his points are a smutty brown. Main and tail have white frosting, and they are not black (only look black when wet or in certain light), but more dark brownish mixed with black and a tint of red. He does not have cob webbing in the face or the shoulder markings you can see in many duns (at least not that I could detect them). His ear tips are dark, the color of his points. But: He has pronounced dapples which come out in a certain light and / or after a good bath. The dapples are not associated with the dun gene, but are typical for buckskins. So, who knows…once I have figured out a little more details, I think I’m gonna go for the DNA test, just for the fun of it, I heard it’s not expensive. It really doesn’t matter, I’d love him just as much if he was blue with red polka dots - it’s just interesting - I’ve always loved to learn about colors and coat patterns in horses!

[Beverley]

Very cute! I note however that he’s from the Impressive line, so you would do well to inform yourself on HYPP and see if you can find out from AQHA whether he and/or his parents were tested.

[jules183]

Hi Beverly,

no worries, all done, Hypp N/N.