Unfortunatly i know Mark Wedig is a kill buyer, i was trying to locate a Micheal Gill horse named Master of Disaster a few years ago that Gill had sold to Weding and Weding claimed he never recieved/nor knew the horse…Master of Disaster was never found and as a huge fan of the horse(saw him run at Saratoga in person) don’t wanna fathom where he ended up
Sociopaths with no conscience
I can only imagine that some people like the ones mentioned in this thread are so miserable in life that they love to perpetrate pain and suffering on others. The horses are now dead and thankfully no longer suffering, but the pain and loss of sleep it causes others (humans) is what these people strive to achieve.
I don’t know a single person involved in the thread, but I did not sleep the other night thinking about the loss of life (horses) and the suffering it caused the woman who would have rescued them. You have to be severely disturbed to cause this much pain. I would also go so far to say they take great pleasure knowing how frightened and confused the horses were in transit. A really sick, sick situation brought on by people with no conscience.
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You have to be severely disturbed to cause this much pain. I would also go so far to say they take great pleasure knowing how frightened and confused the horses were in transit. [/QUOTE]
While I agree with you that you have to be pretty cold hearted to do this, I do not think that they actually give the horses or the people who care for them a thought. To them horses are the exact same as cows or chickens - they are a business and are livestock. Some people do not look at horses (or even dogs) as pets. To them they are working animals and must earn their keep or move on down the road. It’s not just in racing that I see this. While I do not agree with it, I do not see all of the people that do this as evil. The kill buyers I do find very disturbing, but I know quite a few polo people and they do this as well (one of the reasons I do not sell in general to polo). They honestly look at horses as livestock.
As for why a kill buyer would not necessarily be helpful to place a horse: it’s like some trainers - they are so villified and many of them have dealt with hysterical “rescuers” and just do not want to deal with the crazies. Makes it extra difficult for the regular person who is interested in one of these horses. I’ve seen it and been subjected to it myself - someone wanting to “rescue” my fat, happy OTTB (to a grassless, inadequate back yard situation when they have very limited horsemanship skills). Sad situation.
My heart goes out to these horses and the woman who was looking for them - such a waste.
I don’t necessarily think that’s the worst thing, in and of itself… What gets me is when people purposely go out of their way to do the wrong thing when the right thing could be easier, and even more profitable, like in this case. I can’t even begin to wrap my head around that.
Even looking at them as livestock and not pets, it shouldn’t be so hard to realize there’s a better market for them and one could maximize profits simply by doing what we call “the right thing.”
That so many people continue to ship horses or “not care” when a simple change in attitude could benefit EVERYONE is really difficult for me to grasp.
(and I am not a black/white thinker - I do understand and empathize in the situations when there is NO money or time left, or people have dumped a horse with the race trainer and there’s just NOWHERE for it to go… but when there is somewhere? And there’s even money in that option? wth?)
These horses are still alive…
http://www.drf.com/news/anti-slaughter-policies-proving-tough-enforce
Who’s the dumbass now Mary??
What a clusterfruitbat. BHK, thanks for the update. Glad the horses were found, and glad Wedig and Price got slapped by the racing authorities. I do believe that w/out the publicity, the outcome would have been different.
I never understood how certain individuals could claim TB xyz was slaughtered on such and such a date.
It’s not like the TB’s going to slaughter are leaving a paper trail.
This drama with claims of TB so-and-so being slaughtered on such-and -such a date has happened before.
No proof of any kind.
Ticking off half the TB industry with accusations and other unprofessional behavior does not help in any way, shape or form.
I am soo glad, these two are still alive.
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I never understood how certain individuals could claim TB xyz was slaughtered on such and such a date.
It’s not like the TB’s going to slaughter are leaving a paper trail.
This drama with claims of TB so-and-so being slaughtered on such-and -such a date has happened before.
No proof of any kind.
Ticking off half the TB industry with accusations and other unprofessional behavior does not help in any way, shape or form.
I am soo glad, these two are still alive.[/QUOTE]
I believe the slaughterhouses have to record brands and tattoos of the horses they take in. I know someone who called a slaughterhouse looking for a horse they had sold years prior after hearing it was shipped to slaughter recently. The slaughterhouse verified that the horse had been slaughtered by the brands. I believe she was also told they still had the hide of the horse if she wanted it…
As I understand it, and Laurie may have more knowledge about this, but the horses were at one point at the slaughterhouse and were logged, but then Mark brought them back trying to avoid sanctions and such. I could have misread what I saw, but that was my understanding of things.
Who is making that claim?
And why would they have to?
What purpose would that serve?
Call Richelieu and ask them yourself if you want to know for sure - bear in mind that what they say may not be what they actually do.
Logically it does not seem possible or profitable for them to record every tattoo.
For one, they don’t have the time with the numbers they slaughter, for two, who at the plant would know how to correctly read a tattoo and thirdly, even on younger horses a lot of tattoos are not really identifiable without studying them; some are down right impossible to decipher all five digits.
From my personal experience with Richelieu when searching for a specific TB (we had tattoo#), they could only tell us if the KB involved had delivered any loads during that time frame - which he hadn’t.
Followed up with Cavel (still open at that time), they confirmed the KB had delivered horses, but the only way to identify said horse was by us going through the hides.
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These horses are still alive…
http://www.drf.com/news/anti-slaughter-policies-proving-tough-enforce
Who’s the dumbass now Mary??[/QUOTE]
I don’t understand the tone of your post. It is good to hear that the horses have been found. Why are you calling one of the rescuers a “dumbass”?
That was meant for the person that called me a dumbass when I heard the horses hadn’t been sent to slaughter. I was also called other names.
For the record… that person did nothing to rescue these horses.
This is why BHK posted in the fashion she did:
"There is a dumb ass on ABR that states the following…:
[I]I don’t know where Mary got her information, but I heard from a reliable source that these horses are still alive and in Mark Wedig’s possession. He’s supposed to be bringing them back Wednesday or Thursday."
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Who is making that claim?
And why would they have to?
What purpose would that serve?
Call Richelieu and ask them yourself if you want to know for sure - bear in mind that what they say may not be what they actually do.
Logically it does not seem possible or profitable for them to record every tattoo.
For one, they don’t have the time with the numbers they slaughter, for two, who at the plant would know how to correctly read a tattoo and thirdly, even on younger horses a lot of tattoos are not really identifiable without studying them; some are down right impossible to decipher all five digits.
From my personal experience with Richelieu when searching for a specific TB (we had tattoo#), they could only tell us if the KB involved had delivered any loads during that time frame - which he hadn’t.
Followed up with Cavel (still open at that time), they confirmed the KB had delivered horses, but the only way to identify said horse was by us going through the hides.[/QUOTE]
I was told they had to do it by law for tracking purposes, whatever that means. This was over 5 years ago, so maybe they don’t have to do it anymore? Maybe they lied about having to do it? Who knows. I don’t see why one would say they had to when they don’t, just tell the person calling to f off…lol.
Exactly 
Thank you!
Would be nice if the OP could edit the title to “Found and alive!”
there is a rumour going on that Richelieu (Bouvry) will not be accepting TBs any longer!?? We are trying to find out if it is a rumour or truth.
Viande Richelieu Inc
595 Rue Royale
Massueville, QC J0G 1K0, Canada
Phone: (450) 788-2667
ETA: You’d think such an important decision would have trickled down to their American suppliers by now. But so far it hasn’t here in KY.
I have been searching and searching and cannot come up with one source of this information except for MJ’s FB page.
By virtue of the drug situation (Bute, etc.,) TBs and STBs would be default be the first ones to take out of the slaughter chain.
However, would agree that a quick phone call would settle this matter ASAP.
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Who is making that claim?
And why would they have to?
What purpose would that serve?
Call Richelieu and ask them yourself if you want to know for sure - bear in mind that what they say may not be what they actually do.
Logically it does not seem possible or profitable for them to record every tattoo.
For one, they don’t have the time with the numbers they slaughter, for two, who at the plant would know how to correctly read a tattoo and thirdly, even on younger horses a lot of tattoos are not really identifiable without studying them; some are down right impossible to decipher all five digits.
From my personal experience with Richelieu when searching for a specific TB (we had tattoo#), they could only tell us if the KB involved had delivered any loads during that time frame - which he hadn’t.
Followed up with Cavel (still open at that time), they confirmed the KB had delivered horses, but the only way to identify said horse was by us going through the hides.[/QUOTE]
If they keep/sell the HIDES, I can see recording/noting brands. That wouldn’t be difficult. Lip tattoos? Kind of a PITA.
And I would think with the drug regs it would just be easier to refuse race-tattooed TBs and STB (and I would assume QHs) rather than go to the expense of feedlot holding or playing guessing games about bute. It’s not like there’s a shortage of other possiblities…
Those regs (EID) were implemented IIRC about two years ago. Bute was one of the drugs rendering a horse inelligable for human consumption - period.
If they were serious about those regs, OTTB’s would have stopped going to slaughter at that time. Obviously that is not the case.
