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Whoops. I left out the word Powerpack

You should powerpack once a year.

I thought you did it twice a year?

More likely to be Cuterebra, a member of the same family as the bot fly.

Screw worm has been eradicated in the US, and any findings of it are a federally reportable disease.
IIRC, there was one case in a dog this past year that contracted it before being brought to the US.
Brought the feds down on it like ugly on an ape.

I do. But IME getting someone to even DO a pp who has been only using ivermectin twice a year is usually a bit like pulling out teeth. Then again, maybe that poster will be highly motivated to kill worms :slight_smile: I like to not scare people right away, Leah :lol:

Oh…oops…sorry.:o

You converted me so easily i didn’t realize that others may actually think through the process rather than jump then ask questions:lol:

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;3491854]
More likely to be Cuterebra, a member of the same family as the bot fly.

Screw worm has been eradicated in the US, and any findings of it are a federally reportable disease.
IIRC, there was one case in a dog this past year that contracted it before being brought to the US.
Brought the feds down on it like ugly on an ape.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clarifying, Ghazzu. :slight_smile: Do they pop out like the “federally reportable” ones do? I remember a horse at a clinic I worked for YEARS agoi having some sort of worm that the vet called, “screwworms” and it was ghastly. :dead:

[QUOTE=LMH;3492112]
Oh…oops…sorry.:o

You converted me so easily i didn’t realize that others may actually think through the process rather than jump then ask questions:lol:[/QUOTE]

lol… or some of us had to wait for ever to get their wormer they ordered… and are now waiting to make sure they aren’t going to be contenting with a hurricane before they dose their horses. :wink:

EqT… Would it be suitable for use quest instead of doing the second PP? Or is there specific benefit that you see from doing two PPs a year?

Yes, they do.
You see them in cat occasionally, as there’s a species that has rabbits as a host, and when a cat sticks it’s head in the rabbit hole, it comes in contact in the general vicinity of the neck.

Can cause an anaphylactic reaction if you squish the larva while removing it, I’m told…

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;3491854]
More likely to be Cuterebra, a member of the same family as the bot fly.

Screw worm has been eradicated in the US, and any findings of it are a federally reportable disease.
IIRC, there was one case in a dog this past year that contracted it before being brought to the US.
Brought the feds down on it like ugly on an ape.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! I looked up Cuterebra and that is exactly what it was (regarding my post about insect larvae in a kittens neck sounding similar to a symptom of Luna the mare). I did a quick check, and though horses are atypical hosts and occurrences are very rare, there are some occurrences of the Cuterebra larvae being found in the skin of horses. My friend’s mare’s udder has had a several lesions that sound like Cuterebra this summer. Here is a discussion: http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/71500.htm

Thank you for your help!

LMH - I don’t know if you knew this but Lyme Disease paid a visit to my farm last spring.

2 high titers, one borderline. Treated all 3 - one horse was treated for many months. I also did the 2x ivermectin after stalking Chocomare for a while.

3 horses improved greatly after the Ivermectin - but the one still on doxy did not have as dramatic an improvement.

No doubt this was due to being on Doxy for so long, as that drug does help with NTW. Only 1 horse was obviously sick from Lyme - (he was really ill, poor thing), the other two did show overall improvement in health (coat, attitude, way of going, temperament) after the 2x ivermectin - which was given about two months after their doxy treatment stopped.

That doesn’t prove anything, of course. It’s just anecdote and shouldn’t be given much credence. But - from what very little I know about chronic worm infestation, it can affect health in subtle and dramatic ways.

In an otherwise healthy horse who has been on a good worm control program, I would think it would be fine. Might be a lot easier if you are in a boarding situation, too.

For the IR horses I think the double PP is very important. We are hunting a different parasite there :wink:

It worked

Thanks, Chocomare. Did the two doses two weeeks ago, gave her the second dose last night, with noticeable improvement.

Second Update

Gam: 26 y/o Retired TB.

I gave him his second DD of Equimax at 10 days. This was a horse that we almost put to sleep because he was so miserable with the itiches and the panic and the not eating that it was drivng us both insane.

Although he did not look like the pics of the horse from HorseCity.com he was itchy and miserable.

So after first DD he was much calmer. Still wanted to be scratched but it wasnt consuming him like before.

At about 7 days he was a bit on edge and fairly intolerant to everything (again). So at 10 days I hit him again with the DDE.

That was Monday. Today he HAD to scratch belly and hiney. So hopefully that is them gettin’ dead…?

I am thinking since this has been ongoing for so long - can I do it again at 10 days maybe with just Ivermectrin?

I am thinking I may need to DD every 7-10 days right now. Tucker is at one of his worst right now, which I attribute to the flooding and how horrible the mosquitoes and gnats are right now. His face is raw and bloody, he is very sensitive around his ears and sheath. I feel so bad for him. My vet doesn’t even want to see him until the flooding goes away as there is nothing he can do until it dries out.

[QUOTE=HandsomeBayFarm;3493073]
Gam: 26 y/o Retired TB.

I gave him his second DD of Equimax at 10 days. This was a horse that we almost put to sleep because he was so miserable with the itiches and the panic and the not eating that it was drivng us both insane.

Although he did not look like the pics of the horse from HorseCity.com he was itchy and miserable.

So after first DD he was much calmer. Still wanted to be scratched but it wasnt consuming him like before.

At about 7 days he was a bit on edge and fairly intolerant to everything (again). So at 10 days I hit him again with the DDE.

That was Monday. Today he HAD to scratch belly and hiney. So hopefully that is them gettin’ dead…?

I am thinking since this has been ongoing for so long - can I do it again at 10 days maybe with just Ivermectrin?[/QUOTE]

Forgot to add that there are 4 other horses on the farm that I hit with DD I on Monday. None of them have the itch - but one has bad, gooey eyes, one has a weird bloatyness that doesnt go away, one has mystery lameness (would be nice NOT to have to do an MRI), then there is a pony with nothing really going on.

So - will look at these guys again in 10-14 days and hit them with DD E. It has been ordered.

As mentioned earlier about Eqtrainer. Me and the boys totally <heart> her.
After the feed thread came out I PMed her and decided I would “hire” her to evaluate the feeding of HBF residents. Sent pics and bios, talked on phone and WOW…my guys are so much better for it. She has got the wisdom. Feeding horses aint what it used to be!

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I promise I’m not hopless, just really scared of chemicals.[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you’re joking? What’s next? No vaccs because you’re scared of needles?

If it helps at all, think of the dewormer as aloe-flavoured yoghurt and get on with it.

For those of you wondering about DD with Equimax again, if you have already done a double twice I think you can follow up w/DD ivermectin after that… I do… Chocomare?

Oh - and thanks, Handsomebay :smiley:

Correct EqT. Follow the initial protocol of DD Equimax, wait 14 days, DD Equimax again.

Should any symptoms remain, after 14 days DD Ivermectin. Feel free to repeat that as well in 14 day increments.

Did my first DD E yesterday . . . will keep you posted . . . I so hope this helps my little mare.

Bumping up my question from earlier in the thread… what about foals/weanlings? Anyone with any experience? I’m so used to happy fuzzy babies but my 2008 TB filly is an itchy, scaly mess.

We do Equimax in the fall so she will be about 7 months old at that time.