Did the second double-dose of Equimax on my 13 yr. old mare this morning. She showed noticeable improvement for a few days after the first double-dose. After about the 4th day she was back to chewing on herself, scratching her face bloody on the trees, and thumping her belly with her legs / hooves.
My 24 yr. old gelding will get his double-dose on Saturday. He isn’t really showing many signs of being affected, but last summer he would get down in the dirt and scratch his belly on the ground.
Well… I think your subconscious has been contemplating this for a long time because we talked about this quite some time ago :D:yes:
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Correct EqT. Follow the initial protocol of DD Equimax, wait 14 days, DD Equimax again.
Should any symptoms remain, after 14 days DD Ivermectin. Feel free to repeat that as well in 14 day increments.[/QUOTE]
This was my question as well…how many times is safe? 
The second double dose was Sunday.
I was going to do a PP end of September…
IF Milo is still suffering should I push back the PP for a DD of Ivermectin?
OR do the PP then come back with a DD.
OR should I ABCDEFG :lol:
Can you over-worm?
I think I’ve been underworming, doing it every 4 months or so. I kind of think my pony came in with a belly full, so I was thinking that besides the dd equimax, dd invermectin, I should also do a powerpack. Wonder how long I should wait?
Well…
I will freely admit that I have dewormed a horse w/a double Ivermectin every two/three weeks… for at least two months.
No problems.
I’ve been following along with this thread, and I have found it to be very interesting, though I have missed a few pages…
Is there anyway, of compiling the major points of it like links to articles backing up the worming protocol, research facts, results, etc?
LMH and I will be compiling the data to the best of our ability. Probably will be put on a page of her website in the future.
lurker revealed/ my case study/ diarrhea ?
Ive been following this thread since it started with optimistic excitement, the reason being my 20yo Trak gelding William. He has been described as ‘the itchiest horse ever’, worse in the summer, has had a few bumps that rubbed raw (the hubby asked what they were and I cassually answered bug bites), some hair loss on the neck, and has tiny skin tag looking things that I seem to recall one of my Pony Club HM judges saying back in the day were signs of worms (NTW’s?) that could be treated with ivemec (this is 20 years ago?).
Regularly wormed with rotation of chemistries, but I will admit no PP (will be adding this for my herd now though). Also have noticed vision ‘issues’ over the past year, with increased spookieness (vet examined and found nothing other than slight age related scarring). Recently started itching tail into a rats nest. Reading this thread I started to put things together…
Double dosed with ivemec last Sunday, on Tuesday he had what looked like fire ant bites on the midline of his belly, across his sheath and down the inside of his thighs- VERY itchy. On Weds both back legs were swollen, although no lameness. Ice/standing wraps resolved the swelling buy Thurs PM, although still itchy. Due for second double dose this week. Based on what I have read about the adult worms and life span, will likely continue dosing with Ivemec at frequent intervals for a while.
I read all the studies posted so far, one of which said something along the lines of the majority of the older horses tested in KY were positive for NWTs (20yo is older i think), and have discussed with my sister who is in her final year of vet school. We think it is a possibility that NWTs are at least part of Will’s problem (if they are the reason for his vision issues and those resolve than that would mean he would be able to resume his role as my dressage schoolmaster).
I do have one question though- I did not use Equimax because both times I have used that with him in the past he has had the worst case of explosive diarrhea in a horse that I have seen. I have used other dewormers, including Quest Plus and (obviously) Ivemec, without that reaction before, so I don’t quite know what triggered the reaction? As another poster asked earlier, I wonder if anyone else has seen diarrhea with Equimax before (single or double dose)? None of the studies I read mentioned it… any ideas??
Thanks to CM and ET (and little D) and everyone else for continuing our education!
ntw
o.k… I too have been following this thread with interest!
I just went to Jeffers & ordered the short-dated ivermectin,
it’s cheap enough, so I ordered 20 so I can double dose, wait
the 2 weeks & double dose again. My five all have different
interesting issues, bu I’ll bet the 25yrold has had the NTW for
years… she’s had these lumps on her throat that never go
away, look like giant zits, and she is always rubbing them…
so it should be interesting to see if double dosing will reduce
that issue.
Thanks for all the information!
J
I DD’d my two year old with Equimax on Monday. He has had a 4 inch scab on his midline since I got him as a yearling. I had read somewhere that it was a reaction to midges/flies and as he matured and his immune system matured, it would go away. It hasn’t. Almost made me think it was a sarcoid – and maybe it still is – but we’ll see how the worming goes.
My late gelding suffered from ERU, and a flare-up was triggered by worming. I only put it together too late. For those concerned about ERU, would it be more prudent to do several minor dewormings first, and then do the DD, in hopes of avoiding a major die off and triggering an episode? (I did that with my youngster just cause I am chicken.)
jan
PS. Some of my barnmates say they DD Ivermectin every two weeks during the summer under their vet’s advice…
Did the second DD last night on my girls. Checked them both over this morning, didn’t see anything.
My 9 year olds belly has cleared up and the hair that she was missing on the side of her face near her eyes is coming back.
First DD E on Tues, 9/2 - last night noticed lots more bumps/welts than usual (and some in places we don’t usually have them). Also noted that Ms Mare was more itchy than usual. All in keeping with what I’ve been reading here . . .
Reese got his second DD of the Equimax on Tuesday. Glanced at him yesterday and he had a few little bumpy swellings, but nothing amazing. I’ll check him closely tomorrow, and see how his mild, random skin crud is doing.
Jake and Chip got their second DD on Tuesday. I’ll be curious to see if Chip’s neck-knots resolve entirely. He’s shed a few that became hard, warty type crusties…after being haired over, subcutaneous knots for the 2 yrs I owned him.
Jake was rubbing his mane Monday, he’s never done that. To be fair he’s on Dex and a fungal shampoo regimen as well. but that’s done now so we’ll see who he is, come next week or so.
the other three got double dosed on short dated Ivermectin instead. I can’t afford to DD all of them on Equimax, even at 11/tube…I can’t swing that.
I did the first double does of Equimax two weeks ago (this weekend I’m doing the second.) It hasn’t really made that much of a difference, honestly. One patch on his shoulder disappeared, and the other ones are looking better, and this floppy edema he had on his chest completely disappared. But he has developed bumpy spots on his forehead, and there is one big, multifaceted (and totally gross) lump on his throatlatch that hasn’t gone away. And yesterday I was absentmindedly scratching one of his spots while talking to someone at the barn and I squeezed it a little and it popped like a zit.
So I’m going to do the second double dose, hopefully that takes care of the rest of it. He definitely has the neck threadworms, it isn’t anything else, but maybe it will take more treatment.
I’ve been off this thread for a week or so so forgive me if this has been answered, but has anyone tried double-dosing ivermecting after the initial double dose of equimax? I see that people have tried it the other way around but does it make a difference? The nearly $40 I’d have to spend on equimax vs. the under $10 for ivermectin has me really hoping it would be fine.
anabug… I don’t know whether that will work or not, but that is my plan as I have three horses one DD round of equimax was $60. I’d love to hear some input on that idea. I’m also not trying this as a treatment for “sweatitch” either.
My $$ alternative was to use 1 ivermectin with 1 E-max dose for the first go-round. I will be doing the double E’max on all 3 this coming weekend (their 2 week mark) and keep another round of E’max for the one gelding that seems to have the worst crusties on his midline (and also has the most dubious background… he’s the one off the truck to Shipshewanna last December)
I’m buying my supplies through KV Vet. 6 or more tubes of Equimax are 9.95 each. $50 or more is free shipping and then use coupon code 54 for $5 off the total order.
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I did the first double does of Equimax two weeks ago (this weekend I’m doing the second.) It hasn’t really made that much of a difference, honestly. One patch on his shoulder disappeared, and the other ones are looking better, and this floppy edema he had on his chest completely disappared. But he has developed bumpy spots on his forehead, and there is one big, multifaceted (and totally gross) lump on his throatlatch that hasn’t gone away. And yesterday I was absentmindedly scratching one of his spots while talking to someone at the barn and I squeezed it a little and it popped like a zit.
So I’m going to do the second double dose, hopefully that takes care of the rest of it. He definitely has the neck threadworms, it isn’t anything else, but maybe it will take more treatment.[/QUOTE]
In our case, I saw a bigger “reaction” after the second double dose, for whatever it’s worth. I am going to worm him with Ivermectin as a follow up, since it is inexpensive enough, that way I’ll know I really knocked the suckers out. I see a definate improvement in my guy. Almost like he had to get worse before he got better, so definatley do the second DD!
I have the same question as 3spots: is it better to use a milder deworming prior to doing a double dose of either Ivermectin or Equimax when you are concerned about ERU? I have an App/TB gelding who, last year, 3 weeks after doing a PP on him for the first time, developed uveitis. Even though we caught it quickly and treated aggressively, it caused him to develop glaucoma and eventually we had to remove his eye. I asked my vet at that time if the PP could have anything to do with the uveitis bout and he said no (and I posted here about it and got jumped all over by some who said "how could worms have anything to do with uveitis). But I have always been suspicious about the timing and he had never had uveitis prior to that time.
I have a 4 year old WB gelding who developed terrible itchies as a 2 year old and required dex for the entire summer. He has been somewhat better these past 2 summers with a combination of stalling with fans during the day and fly sheets on during night turnout. Also have given him a heaping cup of flax each day year round. He still rubs his mane and tail some and occasionally his belly so I think I will give the dd ivermectin and equimax a try on him (although I must admit I’m still wary after my problem last year with the other gelding). Will report back on how he does.
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