something to kill adult Onchocerca? 19 CASE STUDIES POSTED-PAGE 58

Blush has dandruffy elbows which have not resolved or changed at all with two double doses of equimax.

A fungicide is doing a lot more on that front :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Simkie;3535840]
Blush has dandruffy elbows which have not resolved or changed at all with two double doses of equimax.

A fungicide is doing a lot more on that front :)[/QUOTE]

Beau’s isn’t dandruff, it’s crusty. No hair. I’ve tried medicated shampoos in the past, nothing helped. So i’m leaning toward these darn NTWs:(

Oh, and I don’t think I’m going to be getting out to the barn today, but I’ll definitely take pictures when I’m out there tomorrow.

My vet says the elbows issue is from rubbing with their feet when they lay down.

Well it’s been 1 week since my third DD. 1st two were with equimax, last one was with generic ivermectin. My horse’s skin is about 95-98% clear, which I have NEVER been able to accomplish before, despite many efforts and much $$$ spent. I am thrilled!

He is still pretty itchy though. I am wondering if I should DD him again around the 1st of the month, or maybe try a single dose of quest, or wait until spring and repeat the whole process when he starts to shed out again?

Also, I would like to set up a worming schedule that will include treatment for NTW’s regularly, any suggestions?

EqTrainer posted this in another thread:

Powerpack Spring/Fall followed 2 weeks later by a 1 1/2 by weight Anthelcide
Assuming we are going from spring, every 6-8 weeks:
Double Strongid
Double Ivermectin
Double Equimax
PP again, Anthelcide again
Quest
Double Ivermectin

OK, I have to admit I was skeptical, but decided to give it a try on my 14-year old Trakehner mare who I’ve had for about 18 months. This mare has the worst skin allergies I’ve ever seen – her entire belly and chest gets encrusted with oozy, itchy sores and she rubs herself on everything – fences, trees, the ground. Last summer, it was somewhat controlled by dexamethasone, but this summer, even that was not doing it and she was miserable, so I decided to give the double dose of Equimax a try. I gave her two tubes on Aug 30th and two more on Sep 13th and her skin is completely cleared up. Absolutely amazing. I’ve a believer and I thank all of you who suggested this treatment! And my sweet mare thanks you, too!

Update after first DD on my gelding. He is the one my vet DD with Ivermectin this winter to humor my concern about NTW. We had a horse diagnosed years earlier so instead of discount my theory he treated with a DD. Vet was concerned he had a nodule growth type issue started by infected gnat bites.

After the DD this winter we had nodules resolving and some just opening with nothing coming out but a big open center.

They didn’t resolve completely and I was under the impression 1 DD would do the trick so I assumed our issue was not NTW. I accepted defeat and that my gelding would just be bumpy.:confused:

Anyways last wed. he was dd with EQUIMAX he spat out half of one dose so the remainder was given with Ivermectin I had on hand.

He too got super itchy and developed lots of welts in random places he didn’t have before. I waited it out because it didn’t seem hugly dramatic but after a few days you could see the funny nodules open up exactly as they had this winter. A few places that didn’t have the nodules were rubbed so badly that my gelding uncovered the exact same nodules only deeper in the tissue.(just a bit bellow the surface instead of above the skin like the others were.

Anyways he is still itchy but no longer abusing himself to relieve the itch.
I assume his are pretty deep. Will be doing a second DD next Wed…

Question for NTW gurus

Now what-Milo has had 2 Equimax doubles AND an Ivermectin double. The last one was 9 days ago.

He is still erupting after the doubles…his tail and main and neck and chest.

He IS drying up but there are still eruptions.

I am a little queazy at doing a 4th double???

Should I move on to our Fall PP and come back with the December Quest or Double Iver??

LMH - Quest is also effective against NTWs. It does not cause the itching that the ivermectin does.

I plan on giving my boys a “boosted” dose of Quest. They have all had it previously with no ill effects - and I have probably underdosed them when I used it. So this time, I’ll give them their full dose plus a 1/4 teaspoon more (like say 125 pound over their weight). With all the regular dewormings and double-dosing, I’m not worried about large die offs of the long stringy worms in the intestines that can create a blockage. The only thing that is left would be encysted strongyles that the Quest will get along with any remaining NTWs. uck.

Unless there’s a way to get rid of the adult Onchocerca - there will be continual release of the microfilarae, won’t there? I haven’t seen any published documents that state that the adults are temporarily sterlized. My LORD - the adult females can get 11 inches long or more!!! (30 cm)

I feel so badly for your horse… it sure seems like he ought to be clean by now. My QH hasn’t had any dewormer in a few weeks and I’m still seeing little eruptions, but only a few little “pimples” of serum.

[QUOTE=Simkie;3537227]
EqTrainer posted this in another thread:

Powerpack Spring/Fall followed 2 weeks later by a 1 1/2 by weight Anthelcide
Assuming we are going from spring, every 6-8 weeks:
Double Strongid
Double Ivermectin
Double Equimax
PP again, Anthelcide again
Quest
Double Ivermectin[/QUOTE]

Thank you!!!

I wish there were more studies done about these things, there are so many “what ifs”. And it seems like a vast number of horses are infected, and like other people on here have said it’s written off as sweet itch, fly allergies, etc.

Maybe I’ll study to become a parisitologist… specializing in NTWs:lol:

I would more consider what Little D noted/has done: weekly single dose ivermectin until all symptoms cease. I would do the Quest for fall (after first frost) instead of the PP.

[quote=mybeau1999;3537845]I wish there were more studies done about these things, there are so many “what ifs”. And it seems like a vast number of horses are infected, and like other people on here have said it’s written off as sweet itch, fly allergies, etc.

Maybe I’ll study to become a parisitologist… specializing in NTWs:lol:
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Go for it! :yes:

Chocomare-thanks…I must have somehow missed the post by little D…can’t imagine how!:lol:

I’m doing what I hope to be the last single dose of ivermectin tonight. The girls had two DD’s then two single doses so far. Last single dose I don’t believe we had any reactions-thank goodness cause I was beginning to freak out. But I want to be sure.

Cashela how many singles have you done since the doubles? Have you been doing them weekly?

Anyone know a good parasitologist? Maybe they can point that person to this thread and maybe it would garner enough interest to try to do some studies :slight_smile:

I have an acquaintance from another board who is in the UK to whom I pointed out this thread. She is doing her own little “study” there, actively seeking horses with fairly obvious issue (likely) related to NTWs, and seeing how many she can get to try this protocol. She promises to document it :slight_smile:

Oh JB! How cool is that!!! :cool:

This is what I did…

DD’d one with Equimax and one with Ivermectin on August 20th. No real reactions.

Then I DD’d both with Equimax on Sept. 3rd. That is when things started really happening, on the Saturday. I’d have to go back and read all of my posts here to get the details right.

Then on the 10th I believe I did a single dose of Ivermectin to both horses. I’ll be honest. I was scared to do another double dose after the hives and the fact that Kit looked like her butt was going to go bald.

I did another single dose on the 17th. My younger horse still has the two solid lumps on her flank, but all of their dandruff has appeared to cleared up the last time that I checked.

I’m going to do one more single dose tonight, although I have been toying with the idea of doing one more double dose.

Wow…that is one pro-active program! LOL.

OK…I have to ponder this…I am almost 100% certain this IS a parasite reaction because of the timing (well unless it is a reaction TO the dewormer:eek:)…

He busted his stall guard off his stall today (2nd day in a row) from itching…BUT the scabs are drying-so maybe one more shot will do it.

Good grief. Yea, sure let’s all go holistic and deworm with non chemicals like I did 3 year ago. Makes for one fun party.:no:

[QUOTE=ChocoMare;3538070]
I would more consider what Little D noted/has done: weekly single dose ivermectin until all symptoms cease. I would do the Quest for fall (after first frost) instead of the PP.

What if you don’t have a first frost?.. Well, maybe in January.:slight_smile: