something to kill adult Onchocerca? 19 CASE STUDIES POSTED-PAGE 58

I think my next step would be to have the Vet out to see if he has a secondary bacterial or fungal infection going on that is preventing healing.

For temporary itch relief I’ve used the Gold Bond medicated powder in the green bottle. It’s labeled as Extra Strength and it has twice the active ingredients than the gold colored bottle. The blue bottle I think is labeled as Super Strength but it does not contain the zinc oxide ingredient.

My mare really liked when I put this on her. She would see me coming with the bottle and would hurry right to the gate. I used it very liberally. I would get a good handful of powder and them pat / rub it all over her belly from her front arm pits to her udder and groin area. You end up with quite a dusting of white powder on the ground too but oh well. It was obviously soothing and helped.

It’s not very long lasting and I would re-apply at least 3 times a day. Now with cooler weather and lower humidity you may find the effect lasts longer than I did in July / Aug. / Sept.

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For temporary itch relief I’ve used the Gold Bond medicated powder in the green bottle. [/QUOTE]

I adopted an old golden retriever who had terrible hot spots under her elbows. I put the Gold Bond powder on her, and it not only stopped her itchiness, but it dried her hot spots out and they healed up nicely. Gold Bond powder is great stuff.

I’m gonna ditto this.

Many times when we as humans have scabs, as they start to heal, they itch. I’d offer calming/soothing topic remedies to help the scabs heal: Bag Balm is a good quicky and you can POOF Gold Bond onto it too.

Half way through the protocol

Ok so my horse didn’t have any symptoms really, except unexplainable mud fever, and a kind of spinal knob towards his lower spine. Oh he did have some “bug bites” that wouldn’t heal, although they didn’t fester or do anything weird.

I gave one 1.2 dose of Ivermectin on the 22 of October. Waited till November 1st cause of other obligations, then gave the first DD Equimax.

So far, no more bug bites. Mud fever is drying up without zinc or anything else, spinal knob is the same.

He seems itchy in his face and cheek area, when I bring him in the barn, he wants to rub all over.

I noticed that he was more spooky than normally. He was pretty lethargic actually prior to treatment. Seems happier and more responsive.

More to come, second DD will be on the 13th because of full moon factor. So I will be cheating by a day.

Still would like any advice if any of you have used remaining Equimax left over from DD.

Another update picture on Comet, the contracted colt.

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Owner has kept up on the Double Dosing, with DJ coming in to re-cast on the off weeks. We expect to see this colt with level hooves in another 8 weeks. :slight_smile:

Unless you an use it with another horse the same day, I would just discard. I wouldn’t want to risk having it contaminated by anything while it was sitting in the fridge. Better safe than sorry. :wink:

My horses have been on a regular worming schedule, following Chocomare’s original roatation. For the double dose protocol, both horses were double-dosed with ivermectin, as it is less costly, and I am not fully convinced of the role of praziquantel in this protocol. The gelding was also severely injured a few weeks prior to the initial double dose, and I did not want to tax his system more than necessary. There was actually a full month between the two double doses, as life interfered with my ability to get to the barn for a while. Both horses gained at least some weight after the initial double dose :rolleyes:; whether this was due to the DD or the new hay, I cannot be for certain. Damn easy keepers – I want some of the worms back!

[B]12-year-old Morgan mare

Recurrent “Sweet Itch” this summer (diagnosed by vet as allergy to Culicodes), leading to itchy skin (rubbed off a lot of hair on neck/chest and some on face), flaky skin, and linear urticaria. Tail rubbing. A very few “knots” of the variety (a bit smaller than an eraser) that make one think “worms.”

Date of first DD: October 2, 2008
No major clearing noticed due to DD, as most recent “sweet itch” was already clearing up.
Tail itching stopped.
Mare gained weight. =(

Date of second DD: November 1, 2008
One week later, noticed flaky skin on neck in location of previous sweet itch.
“Worm knots” no longer present.

4-year-old Morgan gelding

No symptoms other than a few “wormy knots” and some tail rubbing as worming was due.

Date of first DD: October 2, 2008
“Wormy knots” disappeared and tail rubbing stopped.
Some weight gain.

Date of second DD: November 1, 2008
One week later, no further improvement or symptoms to report[/B]

No further DD or weekly ivermectin followed the original DD protocol.

Come spring, I believe I will DD ivermectin again, to see if my mare’s “sweet itch” is prevented, or if any difference is noted in severity. I think I may also try the pyrantel/oxibendazole as part of my rotation as well, slightly altering what I currently use. Maybe.

While I am not yet fully convinced that “it worked” beyond their normal rotation, it certainly didn’t hurt anything. I feel the true test will be this spring with my mare.

So I have a question about the worming schedule for Chocomare. I need to dd my guys I just wormed with Ivermectin on Sunday, can I wait 6 wks dd and then dd again in two weeks? I ask because that would keep them on their normal scedule with the exception of the dd.

Yup… I wouldn’t wait six weeks tho. Sit with the calendar and see about moving the double dose rotation sooner.

list of results

Hi Chocomare and Leah,
wondering if either of you have posted the results you’ve correlated anywhere?
Interested in seeing the info all in one place!
Thanks,
Deb

Have had second dose on pony. ![](inor hiccup though as she took the whole tube… I weighed in spillage and there was, but she licked it up! Pony. I decided not to panic because I used to use this paste on a similar sized pony and whole tube her - she died at 34. So guessing she did ok with it.

Missing hair spots on face - gone. Tail rubbing - gone. Overall itchiness - still there but not as manic about it. Mind you her coat is all out now (summer here), very shiny and short coat.

Ivermectin is due in a week - so has had 2 x DD’s (and a bit) of Equimax so far.

She says HAI got fud?
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She is resting a hoof and is not fat… really… just round…

Pretty pony Nik:)

Thank you - she knows she is too. She is an Australian Riding pony, sire is welsh and dam has about 5% arab blood. She is a very bright girl, only 4 and right now enjouying the life of larry as I dont have time to ride.

ho hum

Hate to say it but after dd’ing the whole herd and doing some of the real bad ones 3 times instead of just twice I still have the bad ones tearing out their manes and tails.

Not near as bad as they were but problem is certainly not gone away.

I’m still going. Wormer is cheaper than all the other ointments and supplements but gees how long will this go on?

You have asked a question I also wonder about. Some say that the DD is just a few times but, when do you stop and consider something else the problem? Constantly deworming does have side effects…

for those that have found good results that’s great…I’m just curious from the experts on this thread who you suggest if your DD several times fails??

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Hate to say it but after dd’ing the whole herd and doing some of the real bad ones 3 times instead of just twice I still have the bad ones tearing out their manes and tails.

Not near as bad as they were but problem is certainly not gone away.

I’m still going. Wormer is cheaper than all the other ointments and supplements but gees how long will this go on?[/QUOTE]

Consider trying Scalpicin. It’s cheap, easy to put on, and effective.

I think sometimes when horses start scratching, for whatever reason, they can set themselves up for mild dermititis. Scalpicin can control the itchiness and allow the skin to heal. Worked for my mare when I brought her home and she scratched half of her tail off within 6 months. Hydrocortizone didn’t work but Scalpicin did – since it’s liquid it easily penetrates to the skin.

[QUOTE=kearleydk;3688950]
Hate to say it but after dd’ing the whole herd and doing some of the real bad ones 3 times instead of just twice I still have the bad ones tearing out their manes and tails.

Not near as bad as they were but problem is certainly not gone away.

I’m still going. Wormer is cheaper than all the other ointments and supplements but gees how long will this go on?[/QUOTE]

I had to do three months of some DD and weekly Ivermectrin until my guy was itch free. No ill effects - just relief.

HOWEVER, as SSF pointed out - sometimes it is something else which is what I am dealing with now. BUT I am grateful that I found out about this thread my guy got a significant amount of dewormer and he needed it.

Now I just have a weird itch on his belly only. Before it was all over, stop eating, loose 300 lbs and have ulcers,get them out of me itching to just a couple of spots on his belly. Which we are treating by removing alfalfa and boosting his immune system with the addition of organic iodine. So far so good.

So I am not sure if the belly is a left over of the NTWs or maybe it was something different all together. Dont regret the DD one bit becuase it did stop the all over itch, has had him gained back 400lbs and eats every meal everytime. Oh, and no more signs of ulcers.

wow that is alot of weight!! glad your horse is doing better. What is and or how is iodine (the type you are referring too is not the type used for cleaning wounds I’m assuming:winkgrin:? I’ve not heard of this.

Well, it was a lot of weight! :wink:

Anywho - in working with a holistic vet, she is having me take his temp every AM and record for 2 weeks. When I explained that I had treated for NTWs but couldnt rid the belly of the itch, she said that his immune system probably isnt up to par, therefore he cant heal it on his own.

His temp was 96 when she took it, on a 60o day at 11am. So she said adding the organic iodine (supplied by her - not the wound cleaning kind) should help give him the boost he needs (helps his thyroid) which should take care of the belly itch. O yea, and I was to stop the alfalfa that he was eating (albeit 1 lb a day) as that was a supressent.

So far so good. Not as itchy on the belly. :slight_smile:

but, what is organic iodine? what form is it in…anything I can google?