Sometimes I can be so proud of the U.S.

interesting persepective from a 1980 U.S.Olympic athlete

The decision stunned Dick Buerkle, a U.S. distance runner who had qualified for the 1980 team – and who learned of the boycott when he saw it on the news.

Buerkle, now a high school teacher and coach in suburban Atlanta, says reading about World War II gave him a sense of perspective. “This is not the worst thing that’s ever happened in the world,” he says. “Although at the time when it occurred to me, I thought it was. I just thought it was unjust, unfair, it just was wrong.”

Buerkle accepts that politics is part of the Olympics – “It’s the way they’ve always been,” he says – and believes that the games can be a positive political force, as with a 28-year ban against the apartheid regime in South Africa.

“The Olympics did not change South Africa; it took a lot of forces to do that,” he says. “But they were a force.”

The ban on South Africa from 1964 until 1992 “embarrassed that country, and eventually caused them to open up their playing fields to black and white,” Buerkle says. “It had an impact. The Olympics not letting them compete had an impact.”

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/20/spotlight/

Just a tad hypocritcal, we ban South Africa from participating and we turn around and allow China to host them…my only point is the olympics have always been political this is nothing new. What sickens me is what we allow some countries to get away with and others we ban for 28 years…SIGH

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so the Chinese can do business with Westerners, and make moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoney.
And English teachers who mention or embody American ideals get kicked out of the Chinese schools.

Yeah, like a junkie needs a drug pusher.

Except that the obnoxious uncle lacks a huge army and nuclear capabilities.[/QUOTE]

It seems as if you have a fear of china al a cold war russia. Really people I’m not going to Jump under a table every time the american media says that China is going to oust us as the worlds superpower.

As to the Olympics being political, I would like to see the athletes have the choice weather or not they want to use their olympics to be political. I think that many athletes would just like to enjoy the moment that their lifetime of work affords them, and others will want to speak up for those that do not have a voice. I think both have a place. However the athletes that have spoken for those that do not have a world stage, have made a difference. Those athletes got people talking and thinking.

Life IS political. The Olympics are not exempt from that truth any more than anyone, anything or anyplace else.

The Olympic ideal may be about the purity of sport, but that ideal is one that remains out of reach. From the US choosing black athletes to compete who still faced raw discrimination at home to the Soviets and their factory produced medalists, the Olympic Games are an international stage on which countries play “mine is bigger than yours.” They are an opportunity for rabid nationalism and for subtle international maneuvering. Oh, and there are also some sporting events.

Cities compete to host the Olympics, even though the games hardly ever generate lasting, real economic benefits. And by competing for the right to host, they are indicating to some degree that they will - for those two weeks at least - tolerate a greater openness and diversity than may be the norm.

China seems to have forgotten that tacit agreeement. It wants the showcase, but not the show that may be part of the deal if you will.

The reality is that the Olympics do provide a vast international canvass for expression. It would be lovely to confine that expression to sporting excellence, but that’s not realistic. So, while we may have moments that celebrity pure sport, they are only small pauses in the frenetic displays the nations, and some dedicated individuals, will be orchestrating for their own agendas.

It may be personal for the althetes, but it certainly is also political.

While the origin of the Ancient Olympic games is steeped in as much myth as history, it is known that the games grew to be so important that all political actions, such as wars and battles, were suspended during the games. Olympic athletes were also required to be amateurs.

Since the revival of the Games in 1896, the Olympic committee has worked to have the games fit the traditions of the original Olympics, but this has been shown to be difficult. There are numerous examples of political actions happening at or in relation to the Olympics. Olympic athletes also no longer need to be amateurs.

As far as Lomong being asked to carry the flag, without knowing the reasons behind it, I find it difficult to state that this is specifically a political protest. I agree with ginger708, boys2 and Thames Pirate that this is an example of some of the great attributes of the United States and would be the same if he were born in the US or any other country.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/olympics/a/aa021798.htm
http://www.runtheplanet.com/resources/historical/ancientolympics.asp
http://ablemedia.com/ctcweb/consortium/ancientolympics3.html
http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/athens_games/history.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Games

As far as Barack Obama and the equal rights connections to the possibility of him being president. As one poster put it “The presidential race isn’t just about the issues, it also is very much about whether or not the majority of America is ready to accept a President that isn’t a white male.”

Consider that John F Kennedy was a Roman Catholic. There has been discussion on the narrow margin that he won by and how much the mafia influenced his election. Some have stated that he would not have been elected if it were not for the mafia influence. Many at the time did not want Kennedy to be president because they feared the pope would govern of the United States. All presidents before Kennedy and all afterward have been of the Protestant Christian denominations. At the time Catholics were often looked at suspiciously, though Barack Obama’s presidential quest offers different views and issues.

The similarity was that at the time, electing a Catholic president was as much a question of whether or not the United States was ready for a non-traditional (protestant denomination) president. While the issue of a black president holds different significance, having any non-traditional, one that is not white, protestant, male, president and how much the US is ready for it will always be a topic when any non-traditional presidential candidate is running for the office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960
http://history1900s.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=history1900s&cdn=education&tm=25&f=10&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//ap.grolier.com/article%3Fassetid%3D0229520-00%26templatename%3D/article/article.html

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You have a very good point. But in the USA, the Iraqui would have every right to do that. Those that supported him would have every right to do so vocally, and those that opposed him would have every right to do so vocally. And the news commentators would have a field day–and no one would be shot or thrown in prison!

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Kiddin’, right? What about that elderly librarian who was recently arrested simply for carrying a McCain=Bush sign at a McCain event?

It’s not hard to find plenty of instances of people detained, arrested, etc. for exercising 1st Amendment rights right here in the USA.

What I’m saying is we can’t take these rights for granted at all and must keep pushing to uphold them.

Not sure if the Sudanese flag carrier is a politically strategic move insofar as I’m not convinced it’s the right way to inspire change in China and elsewhere. And shouldn’t that be the ultimate goal, inspiring change?

Here we go again!

The Olympic Oath:

In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams.

Uh-oh … so right there we know a large percentage of them are lying under oath!!

(And FrankB: hysterical.)

Well, sometimes a little comic relief is good for da soul! :wink:

Frank B, good one, but you have officially annoyed Her Royal Siameseness. She disapproves very much of that soundtrack. :lol::lol:

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The Olympic Oath:

In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams.[/QUOTE]

It doesn’t appear they abide by their own rules:D

With all due respect I expect this from Europeans they don’t get who and what America stands for…

Love the way some Americans abuse the Queen’s English … :winkgrin::winkgrin:

I don’t know any countries on the European continent that have driving on the left side of the road. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Love the way some Americans abuse the Queen’s English … :winkgrin::winkgrin:

I don’t know any countries on the European continent that have driving on the left side of the road. :p[/QUOTE]

Well you’ll get over it:lol:

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Love the way some Americans abuse the Queen’s English … :winkgrin::winkgrin:

I don’t know any countries on the European continent that have driving on the left side of the road. :p[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about the continent…my passport says “European Union” and so am european and I, like the rest in my country, drive on the left hand side of the road. Time to go back to school Wellspoted…:stuck_out_tongue:

a very interesting take on China’s hopes for the Olympics, from someone who worked on their bid:

<http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-op.olympics08aug08,0,4539457.story>

Regardless of your position on the politics, back to the subject topic:
Lamong is a gorgeous specimen of a man and to see him run is poetry in motion. It is a beautiful sight! Leonardo and Michael Angelo love him as a subject. Sigh.

I love to watch the athletes come into the stadium especially the tiny countries…

More than a few are calling attention to China’s human rights abuses:

The eyes of the world are on Beijing where the 2008 Olympic Games get underway with a grand opening ceremony on Friday night. Ten thousand sportspeople from 205 countries are taking part. Millions of people have traveled to Beijing to witness what the Chinese promise to be the grandest spectacle in Olympic history. Yet there are also many who are boycotting the games and drawing attention to the situation in Tibet and the extent of human rights violations in China. Olympic Watch, a human rights organization set up in Prague in 2001, has called on national Olympic teams to “adopt” China’s political prisoners and find some way of expressing public support for them. I spoke earlier to Petr Kutílek of Olympic Watch to find out more about the campaign…

Radio Prague Articles: http://www.radio.cz/en/article/107019 , http://www.radio.cz/en/article/106836

Olympic Watch: http://www.olympicwatch.org/ (Ya gotta love their logo!)

…Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen has now also admitted that the human rights situation in China has actually worsened. He expressed his concern last week in a letter to the lower house of parliament:

"In the run-up to the Olympic Games, the Chinese government’s tight grip on defenders of human rights has remained undiminished. In the past weeks their position has worsened. A number of them have been arrested, some have been placed under house arrest and others have been temporarily forced to leave Beijing."The situation in Tibet has also remained tense and China is still sending arms to Sudan. Nevertheless, Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkanende is going to the opening, along with Deputy Sports Minister Jet Bussemaker…

From Radio Nederland: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/asiapacific/080807-China-Olympics-Bush-mc

Pro Tibet protestors thrown out of Hong Kong equestrian arena:
From Radio Australia: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stories/200808/s2329984.htm?tab=latest

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