South Hamilton sadness: the Flying Horse / Willowbend / Canter Brook property is gone.

I feel like a big chunk of the US eventing world has some memories there too, so in case you care and didn’t get the sad news: the property formerly known as Flying Horse Farm (the Tad Coffin, Massachusetts one), Willowbend, Canter Brook, or probably some other names over the years that I missed has been bulldozed and is being turned into a 55+ residential development.

I was by last weekend and all five barns and both indoors were down; the silo and adjacent building were the last thing still up. With the giant fleet of earth-moving machines on site I imagine they’ve since finished the job.

It does make me think about whether there are effective ways to keep land for equine use near urban areas with development pressures. Something like member-owned riding clubs? Lots of choice land around here seems to be owned by various private groups for recreational purposes, but (except for maybe a couple of country clubs) not horse people. (Also, they all seem to have formed 90+ years ago, sigh.) Maybe I can find 100+ acres in New Hampshire somewhere and start the “Boston” Riding Club?

Is this the place?
https://www.movoto.com/hamilton-ma/3-flying-horse-farm-hamilton-ma-09182-300_12000467/

If so, you need about $1 million to set up your own riding place. That’s always the struggle…the finances. Locally, I see the same happening with golf courses as golfing is becoming less and less popular. One place I know if have been shut down for a few years and another, previously very fancy, has been struggling the last few years as well.

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Maybe talk to your local hunt club? Foxhunting takes a lot of land and many clubs seem to have worked out various effective means to preserve and conserve rural land.

Nooooooooooooo! Effing developers!:mad:

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Why not effing owners for selling to developers? Or are owners expected to hold on to land they perhaps can no longer afford or want just because a small segment of the population wants the land to remain as it was previous used?

Do I like what developers do with land that previously had agricultural use? No (I see it even here in the Phoenix area where agricultural/farm land is acquired and developed.)

Do I blame the developers, not really. Do I perhaps blame progress, yeah. :frowning:

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sad… but progress waits for no one, and people need places to live…

that is the third or fourth iconic barn in recent memory, in MA, to be converted to housing. it’s a bigger problem than just losing equestrian venues.

the only way to preserve or control a tract of land is to own it sadly. thankfully a lot of places in MA really value conservation - so many of us still can ride on conservation land.

as an aside, i am wondering i will ever see the day both of the farms besides us are sold to developers. i am sure the financial offers are astronomical. my parents own about 9 acres of land in a very desirable area to live in this town, adjacent to both farms, and they get letters and cards from developers, persistently, asking to meet or consider selling to them as their land could be subdivided into a major housing division since it is zoned for it. i know one of the neighboring farms gets these offers regularly.

the farm next door has been buying any free land that opens up adjacent o them for the last 15 years, and owns hundreds of acres of land in this town.

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I call them rapers and scrapers of the land

Sometimes it’s not about what they do but how they do it.

I grew up in one of those rapid growing post war subdivision areas back in the early 50’s. The development was on dairy farm land. The town bought the 2 story house, the huge dairy barn, the orchard and the surrounding field area and used it for their park district. The offices were in the old farm house w wrap around porches and huge shade trees. The dairy barn was converted into public use, a youth center in the lower stall area (snack bar, juke box, pool tables, table tennis, games to check out, etc) and a performance stage/kitchen community room upstairs in the loft. They held outside music festivals there on the lawns under the trees all summer. The orchard was kept up and the fruits were used for bake offs. The shed for the equipment was made over into a winter warming house and they iced the land next to it, after a grade prep, into a winter ice skating rink. They had open skating and hockey games! The field on the north was turned into a baseball complex and a path through the field was walking and biking access to the new grade school at the back of the field. Not a one of us rode a school bus, nor got delivery drop offs.

A small farm where I live now was razed - it was gorgeous and would have made a nice retail restaurant complex with the tree lined drive old white farm house, with decorative trim and porches; add some gas lights. The out buildings and barn turned into shops. They didn’t even let anyone save any of the wood and trim for resuse. They dozed everything and ALL the trees, now they have drainage problems.

Some respect for the land and the history would be far better than the vapid development we have now.

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It is sad to see any horse property convert to another use. But this particular property was not the “farm” that some may envisage. As I recall there were 60 stalls divided into three wings which extended like tines of a fork from the main indoor. And a fabulous indoor it was: Huge clear span with a very large half walled ring, a track around that which was at least 20 feet wide, and another smaller indoor off that with another wing of stalls. Turnout consisted of an individual area off each stall and several relatively small paddocks. There were two outdoor rings, but not much else. It was a fantastic place for a winter show as warm up and show rings were all indoors.

At one point I think the owners tried a “condo” approach where people bought the stalls and then payed monthly fees to keep their horse there with services provided. The problem was that it cost about the same as just boarding without having to pay a purchase price as well.

Massachusetts is seeing a great deal of open land conversion which is supported with certain laws. There’s something called 40B which is intended to increase affordable housing everywhere. Because people in certain communities might be resistant to low income units abutting their expensive properties, not to mention being in their view, 40B makes it virtually impossible for any town with less than 10% of their housing stock classified as affordable to stop a developer from doing what he/she wants.The development, BTW, only has to have a percentage of the units “affordable”, but if rental rather than owned, all the units count toward the 10%. Once 10% is achieved, 40B no longer applies. AFAIK the only things that can stop a developer are conservation issues such as wetlands, and even those can be appealed.

The Canterbrook property abuts wetlands, if some of it isn’t actually wetlands. Neighbors concerned about flooding fought this project for years, ultimately with no success.

Sorry for the lecture!

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Ajierene, its not that golfing interest is on the decline its that normal golf clubs (not the ones on the PGA Tour) very very rarely make a profit or even enough to cover operating expenses…kind of like boarding horses. I have a small farm that I own for my own horses but I live at a golf course subdivision and the golf course has changed hands dozens of times in the last 25 years.

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Like frugalannie, my horse lives in the area – just a few miles up the road. The property had fallen on hard times, and there was even a bizarre and complicated criminal case against the man who managed it for the elderly, out-of-state owners (he was sent to prison). I board with some people who used to be there, and they swear that the place was cursed. A horse got stabbed while they were there. One of the trainers who was there not too long ago just died of brain cancer. Etc.

But it had probably the best trails access in the area – and this is saying something, as our trails access is simply unbelievable for a place that’s within 20-25 miles of Boston. A lot of the land with trails is permanently protected, and there is an organization that works with private landowners to keep access to their land. My only complaint – and I do get why – is that a lot of the trails are closed to horses December 1-May 1. I can trailer to some of the open trails, but that has its own set of problems (mostly due to the mare, and me, both being nervous sorts.) My main regret is that I did not move my horse there sooner. We are going on 2 years in the area, but she’s getting older, and I have a degenerative hand condition that is keeping me from riding as much as I want to. I wish that 2 years was more like 8.

In 2015, a trainer I know lost the place he was leasing during Snowmaggedon. The indoor caved in, horses were trapped in stalls, etc. (No horses died, thank G-d, though a couple got scraped up.) He somehow managed to find temporary accommodations for something like 30 horses, his personal ones, his school horse string, and boarder’s. The property owner would not rebuild (and probably could not), so the trainer got a lease for one wing of empty stalls at Canterbrook and put a huge amount of time into fixing it all up. He even got a grant from the state to install energy efficient lighting in the big indoor, and more or less became the manager, eventually. But there was no way he or anyone else could buy the place to keep it from development. The property is big enough that the land alone would be well into 7 figures.

The hunt club is active but declining – the younger crowd are mostly too broke to get into expensive sports like foxhunting. They already have their own property (and part of it is now a golf course.)

The area is wealthy, and aging, and Canterbrook had been zoned for senior (55+) condos a while back. The owners finally decided to sell.

As of 2 days ago, the silo and the barn attached to it were still there.

Change is inevitable. Every barn in San Diego I rode at as a kid/teen, except the one that was quite literally in a creek bed, is now covered in housing, business parks, etc. There are a lot more people… and they have to live and work somewhere.

Nope… Canterbrook/Flying Horse farm is west of there.

As an example…

Perhaps some of the lack of respect for the land and history should also be laid at the feet of the local government(s) who control zoning and building ordinances, no? Lovey doesn’t guarantee a profit.

I am sure that lovely farm would have made a nice retail complex, why didn’t you buy it and do just that? Oh wait, that would have cost more than you could afford (making a guess here). Would that lovely complex actually have been able to turn a profit? Restaurants are a very tough business. Lovely

I would agree, maybe nice to reclaim the wood but without knowing why that didn’t happen, not totally going to through the developers under the bus.

I don’t always like developers either. I also don’t like blaming them 100% for al the ills that happen as progress continues to happen. People gotta live someplace unfortunately.

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What might be hard for some to wrap their head around is the cost to maintain these facilities w larger tracks of land. We have an active eventing barn on about 100 acres in SE Mass. Not only do we have to make enough $$ to keep our bills paid but the property taxes alone almost require a full time job to keep them paid. I never want our farm to end up a housing development or condo but some day it might have to go on the market if we can no longer support the property.

There is an even larger property across the street that was a dairy farm as I was growing up. The owners are looking into putting a solar farm in the middle of the property out of eye sight and the other neighbors are absolutely up in arms as this will require cutting down some of the woodlands. You would think they would prefer that to bull dozing and building.

I just saw an ad for a property in NH that hosted events in the past - 2 million - not many people can afford that to purchase that property and continue to run it as a horse farm but its there if anyone is looking and wants to keep it green!

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Joan you do great things at your farm and for Area 1 in general. Thank you.

You highlight a significant issue, though. There appear to be few people “in the pipeline” to step in and take over equestrian properties, and keep them as such. Certainly true up here in Massachusetts. The Hamilton area used to be an equestrian and particularly eventing hub. Now more and more folks are heading south and prefer to invest their money in farms there. Horse properties linger on the market around here if they aren’t development prospects. By the time climate change makes the south untenable for a very long summer, and winters become de minimus in the north, the land may all be gone.

Beyond that, the folks who are the eventing landowners, organizers and volunteers are aging out. (Not you, Joan, never you!). Again, the pipeline is nearly dry meaning there can’t be meaningful succession planning. There are some standout exceptions (you know who you are!) but in general, the usual competent enthusiastic people show up every year, just a little older…until they don’t.

I don’t have a solution beyond identifying the problem and hoping that the next generation believes enough in the sport to get involved.

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The next generation can’t afford the land that the sport requires to be involved. We have some great younger professionals around here but, they lack the capital to buy these huge tracts of land because land is outrageously expensive now.

Joan pointed out a good example, in MA, property tax is almost prohibitive. Depending on the township, an acre of land can get you $2-50k in RE tax alone. Heading south and buying property down there is much more palatable because it’s significantly more affordable (even when you factor in traveling), it’s cheaper from an RE tax standpoint, and it’s easier to maintain and can be in use for more than 2-3 months of the year.

It is simply no longer financially feasible nor competitive (from a sport standpoint), from what I have seen, to operate boarding barns here anymore. Which is why older barns are being torn down, and no new barns are being made in its place.

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You obviously don’t live in the South! Horse properties have been selling out to developers here for decades and the priciest boarding barn in my area has no land for turnout other than little pens.

There is a golf course right next door, however, that I thought would make a great cross country course 50 years ago. But not only do they not do eventing, they don’t hold any shows there at all anymore.

I lived in the South for several years.

There are bubbles where the South is decidedly NOT affordable, so you are right that some places are expensive (IE Ocala, Wellington) but the South is a huge tract of land and there is a reason that almost all professionals have secondary barns in the South, think Southern Pines, Aiken, etc.

Land is still very cheap in SC and NC, compared to MA (where this farm is located). And the property tax doesn’t even come close to what it is in MA. Even VA has cheaper RE tax and acreage is more affordable than it is here. I know of a few professionals that have also spread their search for farms to buy to TN and AL as well, because they get much more bang for their buck and they can ride year round… can’t do that here without an indoor…

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The closing of boarding barns is one of the reasons I will probably not buy another horse, when the time comes. There is a cost vs. time issue… I work in Boston, live in Andover, and could board in New Hampshire, but wouldn’t necessarily have the time to see my horse except on the weekends! (Ipswich is a haul, but I am there for the trails, and the lack of bears. So far.)

Most of the boarding barns I know of that are doing well either have a long paid-off mortgage, or some serious money behind them, or both. And a lot of the others have sold land in order to stay afloat – which cuts turnout, and isn’t something you can just keep doing; land is finite.

DH and I have 3 1/2 acres, Andover has great schools, and our neighborhood has one acre zoning. We could sell an acre from one side of the house or the other for about $250-300K. So of course, what gets built is million-dollar plus McMansions. DH occasionally raises the possibility of bringing the mare home, but fixing things up for her – and buying her some companions – would cost a lot.

frugalannie, I volunteer at the Groton House unrecognized “classics”, and the Myopia hunter paces, and occasionally elsewhere. At 54, I am not young, but there are times I am the youngest volunteer there!

Joan – I’ve never made it down to your place, but appreciate everything you do for Area 1.

I know you do quietann. We met a few years ago at GHF, I believe. Thank you for continuing to support the various activities there.

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You are welcome!

I can’t volunteer at the “big event” as it always conflicts with a group camping trip DH and I do every year.