Speak to me of Alfredo Hernandez

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Keysfins, are you in Colorado? If so I got to see your trainer – those were some very fancy horses. Super nice with a lot of exciting moments. I wonder if we met last year. I was there for most of the clinics, though I don’t recall ever seeing Alfredo walk a horse himself.

I couldn’t resist going to watch at least one day (and to party, I have to admit).

Skydy, your video work was excellent for the price I paid. You keep it up and you’ll be a rich woman![/QUOTE]

Yes, the mare is at GP, and the gelding is at I-1. RMDS Championships coming up in a couple of weeks!

If you were close enough to go to the clinic, you must not be all that far from us (in Elizabeth)? PM me if you like.
:slight_smile:

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Yes, though it isn’t always pretty. Joe wants to dominate and he gave it his best shot … and lost. Alfredo is very fair and judicious with the corrections. :slight_smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNu8cBWi1E[/QUOTE]

When I had my mare and her foal, my attitude towards correction/discipline changed. When he acted out, she would nail him - ears pinned, nasty, ugly face, and bared teeth. She never drew blood, so apparently she knew exactly how hard to bite, or not bite. But the important part was that then it was over. Your video reminded me so very much of the way she parented.

Your Joe is absolutely gorgeous, and your video shows a man I would ride with any/every time I could. (If I still rode, that is!)

Thanks for the other replies and the video links!

Already found out he’ll be back in October so gonna try for 2 rides then hope I can get in :slight_smile: and switch my work schedule around, darn Job keeps interfering with my riding ;).

I encourage anyone who has welts on their horse to take pictures of them and report it to the proper authorities. If anyone has questionable dealings regarding a child or themselves, do likewise. Immediately document the situation and report it to the proper authorities. Posting this on a Horse forum? Not a good idea. The overt misogyny of this sport and the jealousy directed towards women by other women (and the resulting protection to men) will guarantee that you will not be listened to no matter how valid your claims are and posting it here only makes you look like you might be lying or just a purveyor of malicious gossip. Take pictures, call the police and/or animal protection. File a formal complaint. And NEVER let anyone touch your horse forcefully.

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I encourage anyone who has welts on their horse to take pictures of them and report it to the proper authorities. If anyone has questionable dealings regarding a child or themselves, do likewise. Immediately document the situation and report it to the proper authorities. Posting this on a Horse forum? Not a good idea. The overt misogyny of this sport and the jealousy directed towards women by other women (and the resulting protection to men) will guarantee that you will not be listened to no matter how valid your claims are and posting it here only makes you look like you might be lying or just a purveyor of malicious gossip. Take pictures, call the police and/or animal protection. File a formal complaint. And NEVER let anyone touch your horse forcefully.[/QUOTE]

:confused::confused: Wow. Amazing how the people with the negative input and/or agenda don’t take their own advice.
Have you documented all these terrible occurrences?
Eh… I’m guessing probably not…

Honestly, :confused:? Your belief that the “jealousy directed towards women by other women” is the reason for people ignoring the “valid claims” of whatever you are accusing A.H. of (and what is it exactly you are accusing him of)?

Your beliefs are, IMHO, very insulting to women.

Speak for yourself honey. :no:

There were a lot of women at the clinic I attended and there were none of them “jealous”. They were there to learn and they did. There were certainly no abused women, children, or horses. :wink:

Actually, if you read what I was saying, I am trying to stop false reporting and GOSSIP by encouraging people with real complaints to make REAL reports. In my experience, people who are making false reports often stick to forums like this one and do not seek the authorities.

I am not accusing him of ANYTHING. I am trying to enter real life in to the equestrian industry. Also, you should read the post to which I was replying. She had accused him of beating her horse. Yikes.
Edit: and yes, we have learned that internationally, there is a practice of jealousy that extends throughout many cultures between women. To deny it is not going to make it go away. Women need to show true solidarity to each other, and the equestrian industry is very guilty of this. Thank you though, for making my point for me.

Actually, if you read what I was saying, I am trying to stop false reporting and GOSSIP by encouraging people with real complaints to make REAL reports. In my experience, people who are making false reports often stick to forums like this one and do not seek the authorities.

I am not accusing him of ANYTHING. I am trying to enter real life in to the equestrian industry. Also, you should read the post to which I was replying. She had accused him of beating her horse. Yikes.

Waiting for apology…hello? crickets Thought so…sigh Try to bring a little logic, light and love into the world and see where it gets you. Oh well, back to Beethoven and Muay Thai…

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Waiting for apology…hello? crickets Thought so…sigh Try to bring a little logic, light and love into the world and see where it gets you. Oh well, back to Beethoven and Muay Thai…[/QUOTE]

You were replying to a thread that was over a month old. Usually when someone does that they are not looking to be positive but are looking to continue controversy. :wink:

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Actually, if you read what I was saying, I am trying to stop false reporting and GOSSIP by encouraging people with real complaints to make REAL reports. In my experience, people who are making false reports often stick to forums like this one and do not seek the authorities.

I am not accusing him of ANYTHING. I am trying to enter real life in to the equestrian industry. Also, you should read the post to which I was replying. She had accused him of beating her horse. Yikes.
Edit: and yes, we have learned that internationally, there is a practice of jealousy that extends throughout many cultures between women. To deny it is not going to make it go away. Women need to show true solidarity to each other, and the equestrian industry is very guilty of this. Thank you though, for making my point for me.[/QUOTE]

I’m sorry that the women you know and/or have “learned of internationally” are without “true solidarity”.

You don’t seem to realize that your view of women, specifically at dressage clinics given by Alfredo Hernandez, which is the topic of this thread, is bizarre in that it only speaks to your acquaintanceship with “women” in general, which is completely extraneous to the topic at hand. The topic which is (again) how do you like A.H. as a dressage clinician?

Did you enjoy the clinic?

I thought the clinic I attended went very well, all 3 days.

Sigh all you want, your drama is lost on me…

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, there is a practice of jealousy that extends throughout many cultures between women. To deny it is not going to make it go away. Women need to show true solidarity to each other, and the equestrian industry is very guilty of this. Thank you though, for making my point for me.[/QUOTE]

While I fully acknowledge in some cultures this is true, I have to say it is not always the case. Ive been running Alfredo clinics for several years now, and my group of “regulars” is very supportive of each other, and of new riders that join the group. Some of us have become good friends outside of the clinic environment. A few of “my” riders are young, talented riders, and have had some great opportunities come out of the clinic - and we are all excited about that. I think women are often very supportive and encouraging of each other. In many cultures, it is the WOMEN who pull society together. So I think that is why some took offense at your post.

I am also one who is a strong Alfredo supporter - like any clinician, he is not for every horse and every rider, but I’ve seen him do some incredible work with a lot of different horses - and that is why I continue to support his clinics :smiley:

Alfredo is possibly the best horseman I have ever had the pleasure to work with. Certainly he is in the dressage land. the key word here is “horseman”. He’s not just a rider, not just a trainer, he’s a horseman. the welfare of the horse comes first and foremost with him, always.

WYSIWYG with Alfredo. There is not a bone of pretentiousness in his body. He is a large personality with a good opinion of himself and his ability- without being a prancing egotistical braggart show off know it all. What I dearly love about him is that he has so many little tools in his toolbox, and he’s not afraid to experiment, or admit that he was wrong. Find that in another BNT these days- humility is rare and getting rarer.

Is he effective?

My horse came to the clinic with a long history of crappy pirouettes and no passage. In two days, he left with beautiful pirouettes and presentable passage. And, he is NINETEEN. And I am no slouch of a rider- but I simply gave it up after trying to get both for 10 years with no or limited success. Just figured it was beyond his ability. With NO lash marks on him, or any other horse in the clinic.

Were some horses difficult? For a few moments, a couple were. Many horses when faced with new experiences will first try to flee before engaging their brains. This is the nature of horses. Alfredo is such a master that these instances are rare and fleeting, and the outcomes are lovely, with the horse accepting the new experience and calming down and working quietly. He does his very best to keep the horses thinking.

He works with any horse, any rider. At the barn where I was, most of the riders were professional eventing trainers. The horses were nice, not international level dressage quality. There were many breeds, not just big moving warmbloods:) Alfredo doesn’t care at all, he treats every rider, every horse the same. I love that about him.

I find it implausible that anyone could believe that him abusive. That person must be extremely ignorant or have some other agenda. I have certainly cliniced with BNT’s who had the highest credentials who were complete asshats, and were abusive as hell. I’ve been riding and training horses for over 55 years, and training dressage horses for over 30, and been around the world and back. IMHO anyone who really wants to progress and learn a better, more softer and effective way to teach their horse dressage would benefit greatly from working with Alfredo. If he can improve, dramatically improve, a horse at the end of his career just think what he can do with a younger more able horse!

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Waiting for apology…hello? crickets Thought so…sigh Try to bring a little logic, light and love into the world and see where it gets you. Oh well, back to Beethoven and Muay Thai…[/QUOTE]

Might want to try waiting longer than 15 minutes for a response, especially at that hour.

Anyone know if NY or New England is on his schedule any time soon?

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Waiting for apology…hello? crickets Thought so…sigh Try to bring a little logic, light and love into the world and see where it gets you. Oh well, back to Beethoven and Muay Thai…[/QUOTE]

Troll alert

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Might want to try waiting longer than 15 minutes for a response, especially at that hour.

Anyone know if NY or New England is on his schedule any time soon?[/QUOTE]
He comes to Dutchess county ny pm me if interested and I can try to get you in

Then again, some welts are earned fair and square. Maybe the filly mentioned a page or two back tried to kick him in the face?

My horse was an asshole and he earned a few welts, but I didn’t photograph them or contact any authorities. As someone mentioned, it was “tough love” and it was necessary.

If anyone doubts that, I have a “welt” of my own to share.

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Troll alert[/QUOTE]

Yes, and the troll is you! Actually she responded and apologized to me. So thank you for the apology.

[QUOTE=skydy;8334826]
I’m sorry that the women you know and/or have “learned of internationally” are without “true solidarity”.

You don’t seem to realize that your view of women, specifically at dressage clinics given by Alfredo Hernandez, which is the topic of this thread, is bizarre in that it only speaks to your acquaintanceship with “women” in general, which is completely extraneous to the topic at hand. The topic which is (again) how do you like A.H. as a dressage clinician?

Did you enjoy the clinic?

I thought the clinic I attended went very well, all 3 days.

Sigh all you want, your drama is lost on me…[/QUOTE]

Actually, if you read the posts earlier on, I was responding to a woman who was accusing him of beating her horse and scaring the other people at the clinic so much that they were crying. I was attempting, if you follow the EVOLUTION of the conversation, to eliminate that kind of gossip. Which is why the other woman apologized to me. And women, in general, are just horrible to beautiful, talented women who have earned respect. Ask Alfredo. HE says it all the time.

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Might want to try waiting longer than 15 minutes for a response, especially at that hour.

Anyone know if NY or New England is on his schedule any time soon?[/QUOTE]

Actually, she responded with an apology.

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Might want to try waiting longer than 15 minutes for a response, especially at that hour.

Anyone know if NY or New England is on his schedule any time soon?[/QUOTE]

Actually, she responded with an apology.