Spin off: Dressage tests for rider development vs. horse training

Spinning off the sitting trot thread.

I was thinking about what it might be like to have tests written and judged with purpose and directives more explicitly tied to training of the rider instead of training of the horse. It makes sense to me that people riding horses trained above their own riding level get more specific information about what the implications of the moves are for their own development as a rider and feedback in the way of scores tied directly to that info.

What might this look like? Would it add value to the current competition environment? What extra burden would there be in training judges?

( To tie in to the other thread, a more gradual progression to sitting trot would make sense in tests developed specifically for rider training than in the current tests that are nominally testing the horse’s training as the primary objective (IMHO).)

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There used to be specific Rider Tests, but nobody rode them, so they have disappeared.

At one point there was talk of using the Rider Tests (or something like them) to qualify riders to move up levels, but there was huge pushback from the membership.

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Isn’t this what the Dressage Equitation classes are for? I always liked the idea but usually run out of horse on a show weekend (since I prefer the classic tests).

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Thank you. I vaguely remember that. Looks like they came and went while I was an expat.

What I was thinking was more along the lines of taking the regular tests and writing rider directives to those, rather than having separate tests. So scores could still count for usual awards, year end stuff, etc. That would mean udging would have to be almost the same, maybe with just a tweak to modifiers?

In the eventing horse/rider divisions, everything is the same except pinning, and they are essentially for horse/rider who haven’t shown above a given level. So I was thinking that if we had a rider division for this reason, why couldn’t we also make changes directed at rider development?

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Here’s a link to the Training Level Rider Test

And the First Level Rider Test
https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/RAkr-f5qQ48/first-level-rider-test

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I remember reading through the rider tests at each level and thinking they were way harder than the normal tests. The second level one was particularly hairy.

I’d like to see the turn on forehand brought back. Such a useful exercise, and very telling on how balanced the rider is in the saddle, aid they can separate their aids, and how educated the horse is to those aids.

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I remember thinking how solid my basics had to be to score a 60 on my trakehner mare, and how the rider tests would be great for us because they required so many basics be there, and we had them. My Dutch mare has scored better with far less rideability and basics a little less present when we’ve shown because of her movement. I still work on those same basics because I want to train her up the levels, but I would find it hard to score anywhere near as well on those rider tests. I kind of loved the tests for that - they asked what students should have been learning for their levels, not necessarily what they were.

I love these tests! Did they have them for other levels?

I have an older horse that I warm up with 10-15 minutes of walk work. forward, back, all the lateral work, turns on the haunches AND turns on the forehand. I like to get the hind end responsive.
I rarely see anyone do it but I do know one trainer who used the idea of it as part of another exercise but all done at trot.

They only went to Second Level. Here’s the second level test:

https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/aW_3pNBFTck/second-level-rider-test

Thank you!!