I agree there should be a better method of discussing dangerous rider and horse combinations as well as general poor behavior towards the Hunt. There is a particular “foxhunter” that is known in many hunts for various indiscretions in the hunt field (bolting, unprepared, lack of proper hunt schooling, wheeling, kicking, basically an unsuitable mount, etc.) which directly affect those around them, and at the breakfast table (loose horse), such that they are not welcome back at most of them. However, somehow they continue to go to other hunts until their welcome is worn there, and then are also asked not to return. It would save a lot of annoyance amongst paying subscribers and members if there were a way to address this type of behavior immediately, as the Masters may not see it, but the fellow foxhunters around the spectacle certainly are aware and affected by it. I suppose it depends on the leadership though, as I’ve seen corrections made directly and with courtesy in the field, as well as directly and forcefully, as the situation warranted.
Shameful and pathetic that Bigblackdraft (akaJSwan) just can’t resist vitreolic, mean and bullying gossip once again on this forum. Gross generalizations about “many hunts” “general poor behavior”, “unsuitable mounts” “dangerous”, “various indiscretions”, and how do you know they weren’t welcome back? How many of these “indiscretions” have you personally witnessed? Or is it just more gossip.? Waaaaay too much gossip here. You sound like a mean old bitty hunt snob. Rendering value judgements like the above is cyberbullying. Your use of an alter is noted whenever you intend to hurt someone. Behavior unbecoming someone of your imaginary status. Just plain mean gossip.
And BBD is invited yet again to phone and take this off board. I dare you. I don’t know who the “foxhunter” is and don’t care. Whomever are your gossip sources are bullies too. Get a life ya’ll!!
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Watery, I don’t know you from Adam. But I know JSwan. BBB is not JSwan.
If you relate to what BBB said as the guilty party, then own it and go home. But you stop throwing a good woman under the bus right now. FULL STOP.
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Shameful and pathetic that Bigblackdraft (akaJSwan) just can’t resist vitreolic, mean and bullying gossip once again on this forum. Gross generalizations about “many hunts” “general poor behavior”, “unsuitable mounts” “dangerous”, “various indiscretions”, and how do you know they weren’t welcome back? How many of these “indiscretions” have you personally witnessed? Or is it just more gossip.? Waaaaay too much gossip here. You sound like a mean old bitty hunt snob. Rendering value judgements like the above is cyberbullying. Your use of an alter is noted whenever you intend to hurt someone. Behavior unbecoming someone of your imaginary status. Just plain mean gossip.
And BBD is invited yet again to phone and take this off board. I dare you. I don’t know who the “foxhunter” is and don’t care. Whomever are your gossip sources are bullies too. Get a life ya’ll!![/QUOTE]
Why on earth would you take such offense to this post unless you can relate to it, in some way?
From my interactions with Jswan, she has always been direct, forthright, honest, and tactful. This is at least the second time you’ve impugned her on this BB. I don’t know what your problem is with her, but take it offline if you have a personal problem with her. You are doing yourself NO favors here. Have some respect for yourself and others.
Interesting thread with issues that will probably never be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. While hunt territories differ greatly, e.g., east coast vs western mountains and plains, some things are constant across the sport. Loose horse? So what? Close gates, if any, and help catch it. It might be yours the next time. Misbehaving horse? That’s to be expected. Even the best horse can misbehave or act up at a fly bit, bees, seeing a snake, or not dealing well with a mare in season. Plan your own strategy each and every time you go out. Let the Master take care of dress code violations - that’s their job and isn’t your business. There is a good way of reporting bad stuff in the field without getting the reputation as the hunt’s snitch. Always keep good character and be sportsmanlike. Don’t be the hunt’s gossip or whiner - that’s generally recognized as small minded and petty and, yes, laughable at your expense. Hunting is dangerous, exciting, totally unpredictable, and comprised of varying personalities and horses. Live with it or leave!!!
Some very good points COmountains and we should all keep these in mind when one particular day of hunting is disrupted, as we all may have a bad day. In fairness though, my reference was to those people who continually, in one shape or another, impact other people’s hunting, and not in a positive manner, at nearly every outing they attend, the bad apples of the field, so to speak. Understandably, everybody was once green, or may have a green horse, and hunting has it’s own particular dangers and excitement, but at what point does the Club need to actively remove someone from their roster and ask them to move on? I do not particularly want to be the one who gets hurt or worse in the field by someone who is dangerous and apparently clueless in their impact on others. I would hope a word to the Field Master would be sufficient, but in some cases, it seems that is not enough.
So you tell the Master or know the Master sees the behavior you don’t like but nothing happens. Or you think someone should be kicked out but they aren’t. The resonse to your complaints is quite clear and is staring you in the face! I’ve seen the “bad apples” as Bigblackdraft labels some hunters, become officers and Masters. 'Ware hunt politics, connections, liasons and friendships you don’t know about. Go back and review some of the excellent comments in this thread, particularly Kodiak’s. Determine your own strategy each and every time you go out and change that strategy as needed.
