Spooky Horse at Shows

Right now I am working on being able to continue on with riding after my horse has spooked or settling her down before she manages to react. She is still pretty green by the way. When she spooks she will get squirmy, avoid the area, and occasionally plant her feet completely. She doesn’t do anything crazy but I can’t seem to get her to just focus on work once she is spooked. She is fine if she can investigate it or go by it three or four times but thats not an option at a show. We have been to a couple of shows and when we go down the center line she starts squirming because she is spooking at the judge, she will refuse to get close to C. We can get about 75% of the way down the center line before we have to turn off or she will plant her feet or she gets so squirmy that she ends up trying to find a way out of going toward the judge.

She loses all forwardness. She will break from the trot to walk and when she is trotting its slow and sluggish. We can forget about cantering. I would eventually like to do 3 phases but right now we haven’t been able to do more than dressage at shows. I can’t figure out how to get her at least somewhat close to what we are able to do at home where she has the loveliest trot, shes forward, and she stays round. She is pretty confident at home with the exception of the first few rides outside in the spring and now we can even cross the bridge on our property without any hesitation. I don’t really have the ability to go school at different places or go to shows every weekend so I am looking for ways to fix this while at home.

So far all I can think of is riding in a different area every day. There are eight rings/areas where I can ride once everything dries up including the indoor and the fields where the cross country jumps are. Once we’ve ridden in each place once or twice though she normally isn’t phased by anything even deer running around and flocks of geese so I feel like I need to make the first rides in each place really count. Does anyone have any suggestions or tips?

You described my gelding last year (which was his first show season). Spook at the judge, the scary tent over the judge, the whistle/bell/car horn used to signal…heck, he spooked at A plenty of times heading in :lol:

Like yours, he settles in once he’s seen it a few times and it’s not a new scary object. The thing that helped us last year was just time/repetition/more shows.

It was torture for me, but one of the best things we did was go to a hunter schooling show, where we could do a bunch of classes in one day (for $10 a class). Our first few classes were a disaster - OMG, canter in a herd with other horses? What is that scary speaker? What do you mean stand in the center and not check out my neighbor? But he survived, we got a ton of ring time relatively cheaply, and since it was a schooling show, no one said anything snarky about our black tack or Micklem, LOL. I mean, they really didn’t place us until we had some quiet jump rounds, but whatever. We didn’t go for ribbons. But without ride times? Man, was it a long day. Every time our class was “next”, we sat at the ingate for at least 45 min. What is the point of warming up if you’re just going to stand around for nearly an hour before it’s your turn to go?

Anyhow, I guess my answer is “go all the places, try all the things”. Greenies need more mileage before they trust us that the judge’s tent won’t eat them should they turn their backs.

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Well, I wish I had some useful insight. My guy is 6 and has been showing since late in his 4 YO year and is still unpredictable. Once he starts jumping he is (usually) fine, but dressage is hit or miss. If he’s not naughty he is usually leading after dressage or close too it–he’s quite fancy. I try to get him off the farm as much as possible, and my trainers are showing him. I am tempted to send him to a cowboy (but I think my dressage trainer would freak out!)

Is there anything at home that will provoke this reaction that you can use to help you install some prevention? Probably there is something that gets her attention such that she breaks her focus on you. Maybe not to the degree that she does at a show, but something that is distracting and that she is reluctant to take her eyes away from. It’s possible that she’s doing this at home but as she can multi-task, as it were, and basically keep you satisfied while in fact paying more attention to irrelevant distractions, you are not reacting to it.

Having spent years on one of the world’s spookiest horses, my conclusion was this: Fundamentally, the problem is Loosing Focus aka Distractability, followed up with Fixation, that is, a difficulty in returning focus to the rider/handler. All horses will always be aware of other things, it’s the way nature made them. But they have to be able to come back immediately to the rider/handler. THAT is the thing that has to be trained - yes, dear horse, you saw it, but this other thing is what we are doing now. (High energy, impulsive types of dogs, and people, have to work on the same thing.)

As a trainer once explained to me, practice always always always that whenever something else gets her attention, make sure she can break away and check back with you. Always. Relentlessly. While leading in from pasture, while grooming, while longeing, and of course while riding. You don’t get a break from reminding her about this because she never takes one. She keeps being a horse and this is an innate horse behavior that she may have more deeply ingrained than many other horses.

My thought is that this is like a teenager who can’t break away from the cell phone screen once they catch a glimpse. That is a learned habit. It is also a learned habit to be able to break away. Once the fixation-on-distraction habit is thoroughly ingrained, it is honestly very hard to install the ability to break away and return to the task at hand. It can be done. But is never completely done once the habit is solid, breaking away has to be re-schooled over and over again, forever.

I learned that a big key to a coming distraction while being ridden is that the horse’s head and eyes are not truly in the line of travel. For example, if bending to the right, the body and neck are bent to the right, except right at the poll where there is a little twitch and the horse’s eyes are looking outside the circle, not in the direction of travel. If going down the long side the head and eyes are slightly looking outside the ring. Approaching a jump the horse seems to abruptly forget where they are going as their attention is diverted to something else outside the course, and then is startled to find the jump is much closer than it was a second or two ago. All horses are inclined to do this as they are watchful reactive prey animals. If a rider doesn’t correct it and install focus, this will become a huge hole in their training. A rider can paddle around the easier courses and dressage tests with a funky distractable horse, but once you start increasing the level of difficulty, things begin to unravel because the horse is not truly focused on what they were doing. It is so much harder to fix this then than it is to fix it from the start. And every rider of this horse has to manage it consistently - everyone has to keep this horse on task and off of even minor distractions, because the horse is always escalating distractability.

My last thought is that I can’t emphasize how serious it is to her future career that a way is found to correct the problem in short order. Otherwise it will only endure and even get worse. As you are discovering, any horse that is so distractable as to be uncontrollably spooky, fixated on distractions and difficult to keep on track and forward, is virtually useless as a show horse in any discipline. Now it is just a quirk, but it will cost many failed weekends. The behavior is inclined to escalate without correction, and lead to enormous frustration after the rider has invested so much time and money into preparation, only to have something ridiculous cause the horse to spook and balk uncontrollably at a moment that flushes the entire weekend. Such a horse won’t be easy to re-home, although there are riders that are pretty good at managing this and maybe one will be willing to take her on. The horse’s long-term prospects are not good if they are not a pleasure to ride.

There are working dog breeds that are prone to this behavior. Some will fixate on sunspots and/or moving shadows in the middle of a task. They ignore the handler to watch whatever it is that grabs their attention. They don’t remember what they were doing before the distraction. This is a well-known tendency in some types of performance dogs. In some cases the habit is so bad that an expensive, professionally trained scent dog or other working dog is unable to ever perform the career that they have been carefully prepared to do. I think that the mental roots are at least somewhat the same as a spooky, distractable, fixated-on-everything-but-the-task horse. Some of the same training techniques were very useful with my spooky horse.

Good luck with this, hope you are able to resolve it and enjoy your lovely mare! :slight_smile:

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Even if you find a cowboy or trainer who can ‘fix’ the problem, the fix depends on the rider. That is, the horse is never truly fixed because this is an inner biological response that is over-responding and will continue to do so. It is up to each and every one of the horse’s riders to manage it properly and consistently.

Kind of like certain addictions … no one is ever ‘cured’. They just become very good at managing it and at functioning. But that is work that never ends in that lifetime. :slight_smile:

@OuttaShape There is a show like that this July that is close by. You can enter classes while you are there and they are all flat classes. I am planning on going. I am probably going to enter her into everything possible just to keep us working while we are there. Shes not herd bound but she is more content and relaxed especially at a show if she has a horse to follow so maybe we’ll do some pleasure classes. I’ve also let a few of the better riders at my barn know that she is available to them to show. They love riding her at home and do really well with her so I think it would be a good opportunity for her to get off property with some riders who are super confident.

@kcmel I haven’t been brave enough to jump her off property. If she is unsure she will literally fly over everything like its 3ft. My trainer told me she jumped her over a particularly odd looking jump and she literally jumped the standards. I have a feeling though she would be more willing to go forward if we started with jumping!

@OverandOnward I can take her into the fields where the cross country jumps are by herself. I can also try getting some “scary” things to ride around like tarps and traffic cones. She gets kind of skittish at the back of the property where the track borders a bunch of trees so I can start working her down there more often. There are deer, rabbits, and who knows what else that you can hear but can’t always see. Its probably the scariest place on our property.

I’m definitely part of the problem. I don’t always catch her when she isn’t really bending the right way and sometimes I let her get away with her not being totally focused on me and the work that we are doing. I’m going to work on that more. When she is focused she has completely ignored some “scary” things like the tractors/construction workers and even going by someone using a drill. Those things all happened while I was taking private lessons so I had someone there to push me to keep riding and focus on what we were doing instead of what was going on around us. So I am hopeful that if we can work through those big scary things at home that we can work through the less scary stuff off property.

She is an awesome horse even if she decides that she isn’t happy showing she will have a forever home with me. I have been planning on getting a second horse in the next year or two and if she decides that she isn’t a show horse I will be looking for one that is already showing instead of getting something really green.

Isn’t it awesome when your horse, especially your ‘spooky’ horse, can stay on track even when any horse has a reason to react to construction and things like that? That gives me a few moments of feeling like a competent rider!

You have a great approach to her behavior. Sometimes the spooky ones, when they are staying on track, will also give that extra spark of energy and attention to their performance that can make them fun and special! I found, though, that it never means “we’ve turned the corner and now he’s over it”, rather that it is always conditional on his handling/riding at the moment.

That is wonderful that she will always be safe with you. I have concerns that horses with this type of hyper-reactiveness can fare badly in the wrong hands. It is so easy and tragic for a horse to be too much for an owner (maybe the next owner depending on the situation), and then to start being sold onward from each owner as a horse with ‘problems’, going down the ladder of owner, training and lifestyle quality. It isn’t the horse’s fault, but their behavior does have special challenges, not always a big deal in the right hands, but dealbreakers in the wrong hands.
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I went through that same mental transition. A trainer told me “if you are going to ride this horse successfully, you are going to have to ride like a pro”. He didn’t mean riding skills - he told me I had those - he meant mental & attitude. I realized that I was also not always as focused as I should be and could be, as a pro would be. Perhaps my ammy self didn’t take it seriously enough. A ride on this horse was more tiring mentally than physically! I had not realized how much more continuously focused I could and should be, and it has been very good for my riding generally.

One thing I learned about the ride on my horse was that I could give him a break, but I couldn’t take a break. If I relaxed and gave him the buckle, a major spook was coming in the next minute or two. A friend I rode with watched this and said ‘always keep at least a very light contact with his mouth, as otherwise he looks like he thinks you abandoned him’. ‘But I’m sitting right here on top of him!’ ‘Yeah, but you aren’t telling him anything and he wants to know things from you.’ So that was kind of gratifying and imposing to be so central to this horse’s stability. In an amateur way, I’m sure. :winkgrin:

Other people rode my horse sometimes and I coached each of them “you can not let him fixate on something that isn’t part of your direction of travel, you must intervene, because once he starts fixating, it becomes harder and harder to get him back on track”. I always knew on the next ride if they had stuck to that or not.

He was not an easy horse, but when he and I were both effective, we could knock down the blue in any division. :slight_smile:

Just remember that no one is perfect. 18? year old double Olympic Gold Rembrandt and his double Olympic Gold rider Nicole Uphoff, blew their 3rd Olympics, when Rembrandt spooked at the little greek statues at the corners of the arena at the warmup loop, and his test was tense and tight. The statues disappeared shortly after. :lol:

@OverandOnward Thanks so much! She is such a special horse. I still can’t believe anyone ever sold her. Her temperament and personality has everyone at my barn in love with her. In certain situations she has reacted in a way that more than one person has speculated that she was abused or had gone through some traumatic events. I’ve had more than one person tell me that they would buy her if I was selling but I couldn’t imagine letting her go.

Like you said, this is going to be more of a mental and attitude thing going forward. I totally let myself get away with too much and I need to be harder on myself. If I can get myself to be more focused then I am sure that she will be too. I am going to test this over the weekend. Its going to be warm enough to ride outside and hopefully dry enough that I can ride anywhere on the property. It also means that we are going to be able to start hill work which is pretty much our favorite thing to do outside. :slight_smile:

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My mare can be very easily distracted and gets easily fixated on whatever is distracting her (and the behavior gets much worse when she is in season) - she isn’t spooky per se, just reactive. However, it is very important that you don’t “buy into” that distraction. It is so easy to look at what she is looking at, but that feeds the behavior you don’t want. When she is looking at something, you must completely ignore it and look only at where you intended to go. You can’t expect her to be focused on the job at hand if you aren’t. I work on this every time I ride as our ring is surrounded by all kinds of distracting things - it is not easy at all! Even when we are standing around for whatever reason (waiting our turn for something, talking to my coach, etc), she is not allowed to fixate (hard eye, tension) on something - she can look around with interest and a soft eye, but no fixating. As soon as that happens, I ask her to bend or do something that brings the focus back to me and away from the fixating object. Working on this every time I ride has made a huge difference in this behavior (so has regumate so things don’t get exponentially worse when she is in season).

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Great post!

This ^^^^. I just retired one to be a trail horse. I hate riding him! He is a lovely mover with loads of potential. I have struggled with him for over a decade . I have ridden him with several clinicians and instructors and it is always a struggle, even when riding in an indoor. He gets fixated on things that my other horses readily ignore even in turn out. The other day, my other four were quietly munching hay in the turnout and this horse was staring at something in the distance and freaking out. He did have chronic case of EPM that we had to treat for three separate times as three year old. He has been vet checked thoroughly and we cannot find anything wrong. Surprisingly, he is great on the trail as long as it is at the walk. When he trots/canters he goes very slowly and gets looky.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So well said.

Even while sitting on the horse, I thought of it as the horse wandering around lost in the lower depths of the rabbit hole! I like to think I’m attuned to what a horse is thinking … I had to learn the difference between being aware, and being lost down the rabbit hole with him.

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