Spruce Meadows Stall Fees.

Competing during summer series of Spruce has always been a dream of mine, but finances have held me back from ever actually competing there (done indoors and september champion’s welcome but not summer series or masters), and with the stall fees rising every year it’s getting less and less obtainable.

Is $700 for one week of stabling becoming a ‘normal’ fee for these big shows that have 6 week tournaments going?
You can get a discount if you’re lucky enough to afford to enter for all 6 weeks (as long as you enter before a special date) to make it $3500 for all 6 weeks.

I mean last year summer series was BUSY. They were busting at the seams, even using one of the indoor rings for stabling. Security was very laxed in regards to the stabling area. It does seem like more and more lower level riders (1.15m and lower) are showing spruce summer series, despite the stabling going up every year.
So I guess in this case, when they nearly exploded at the seams last year, that it’s supply and demand, but to me it’s just astounding. Especially for the lower level people. People playing in the big leagues that fly around competing internationally expect to put a very large price tag on their showing, but also hope to win thousands of dollars. People at the lower level, even if they place, may not even break even on paying for the class, not to mention the $700 in stabling.
With the way things are going, I expect to see $1000 a week stabling within 5 years. Will the horse industry support that?
The September shows (Masters and Champions Welcome) are sitting at $550.

The “industry” for the most part is dealing with Monopoly money compared to the rest of us. I don’t see a small increase like that making much of a difference.

That’s insane. I was looking at google maps and saw that there is a LOT of open land. Lots of opportunities to build a farm and have stalls for people who just want to ship in for the days they have their class.

Does Spruce Meadows allow this for fellow riders?

I’m doing Summer Series (only two weeks) this year for the first time in a long time and Masters for the first time ever. Last time I did Summer Series it was $400 a week and I thought THAT was expensive. My wallet is crying, trust me. I feel the pain, but people like you and I not showing up or making a fuss about the price isn’t going to hurt their bottom line. Someone like me with one horse that’s only doing two weeks of Summer Series certainly isn’t their target market.

[QUOTE=Nikki^;7553851]
That’s insane. I was looking at google maps and saw that there is a LOT of open land. Lots of opportunities to build a farm and have stalls for people who just want to ship in for the days they have their class.

Does Spruce Meadows allow this for fellow riders?[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure you can’t haul in. They own a good part of that land around there, and it’s bordered by a highway on one side, a housing development on the other. It’s not exactly the same feel as Wellington, if that’s what you’re thinking.

Is it really $700 now? I know I didn’t pay that much for the Master’s last year. And to answer your question I think Spruce is the only place that charges that much.

And I thought $375 at Vermont was expensive!!! Again, seeing as you’re in the middle of nowhere…

Weekly stalls at Vermont are $225? I just double checked the prize list. This seems in line with what they’ve been over the past few years.

“With the way things are going, I expect to see $1000 a week stabling within 5 years. Will the horse industry support that”?

Yes because there will always be a plethera of low level riders with a lot of money who will want to show at these former elite shows , and management will be glad to accomadate them . After all for every Elite rider and horse there are 50 lower level riders who do this for the fun of it and thats where trainers and show management make there money.The Welcome Mat is out for the 2ft Jumpers at Spruce Meadows

The stabling cost at Spruce and that you must stable and can’t haul in are the reason that I don’t show there. I have gone to their Welcome Series and that is nice as you can haul in and school Spruce fences.

The cost of the stabling is more than the entry fees for an event so I spend my money eventing instead.

Nancy!

I looked up stalls in Wellington (or at least I think I did, haha. it was hard to find the info) and it looked like they were under 400. It seems Spruce is looking like the only one way higher.
The other Gold Rated show (is Spruce Platinum?) around here is 225 for stabling, though they only run 3 weeks straight in a row I think.

[QUOTE=MIKES MCS;7554379]
“With the way things are going, I expect to see $1000 a week stabling within 5 years. Will the horse industry support that”?

Yes because there will always be a plethera of low level riders with a lot of money who will want to show at these former elite shows , and management will be glad to accomadate them . After all for every Elite rider and horse there are 50 lower level riders who do this for the fun of it and thats where trainers and show management make there money.The Welcome Mat is out for the 2ft Jumpers at Spruce Meadows[/QUOTE]

They already have 0.5m jumpers at indoor Spruce.
And it’s correct that you are not allowed to haul in, you must stable on site.

Personally, I’d rather pay the extra $$$ to toodle around the immaculate grass rings at Spruce Meadows than the sand rings at the one and only other place to show in Calgary…yeah, even though I’ll never be jumping bigger than 1.15m (actually I’ll probably not even be jumping near enough TO a 1.15m within the next few years but am one of those, gosh darn 3 footers)…hmmmmm, didn’t we have this conversation just a few months ago!

Please remember, Spruce is one of the 2 top best facilities in the world…and you pay to play! But, you get the best footing, the best fences…the best of everything. Also, you’re in Calgary…one of the oil and gas capitals of the world, $$$$ aren’t exactly lacking around here! The economy is still booming and as long as people are willing to pay up and show up the costs won’t be going down in the near future.

Sadly, it’s not Spruce’s stall costs that we should be lammenting it’s the lack of other places to show…at least they’re accomodating us at their lower level shows and allowing us to trailer in for the days at those and offering all levels. For that I thank them!

Edited to add…I’m in no way ready to be showing at Spruce this year, but if I had the choice my wallet would be taking the hit and I’d rather show 1 or 2 weeks there than 4 weeks at the other venue!

But the thing is, is that it’s not 100, 200, or even 300 dollars more for stabling than the other show, it’s nearly 500 DOLLARS more!! And class fees/nominations are more expensive too.

For the other show you are looking at $600 for stall, nomination for grand prix ring, and 4 classes (at about $50 per class).
At Spruce you are looking at over $1200 for stall, nomination for one division (4 classes), and 4 start fees. That’s DOUBLE the cost of the other show!

And if you want to add a division
At the other show it’s $200 (about $50 per class)
At Spruce it’s over $500 (another division nomination fee, and 4 start fees)

I can see maybe how it’s worth it for the big divisions (like 1.20m+) as they would likely only show a class a day anyways (though having a smaller warm up round for some people I’m sure would be appreciated, but going to Spruce I guess you gotta be ready right from the get go) but for the lower divisions that would normally do 2 classes a day your costs are going to be very very high. Yes they could just do 1 class a day, but then they are doubling their costs and halving their classes.
The Spruce facilities and atmosphere is great but when you’re more than doubling your cost for the same or fewer classes, it’s hard for me to justify it. (Obviously it’s not for others, and that’s fine, not everyone needs or wants to be as penny pinching as I)
I don’t mind the other show, but it certainly does get boring showing at the same show venue every single show that’s for sure. I wish there were more options.

[QUOTE=Nancy!;7554429]
The stabling cost at Spruce and that you must stable and can’t haul in are the reason that I don’t show there. I have gone to their Welcome Series and that is nice as you can haul in and school Spruce fences.

The cost of the stabling is more than the entry fees for an event so I spend my money eventing instead.

Nancy![/QUOTE]

Wow, talk about a Monopoly. That’s terrible that they would do that to fellow riders. If they would allow ship ins, that land around the area would blossom with beautiful farms and more people would get the opportunity to show at a great venue.

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Wow, talk about a Monopoly. That’s terrible that they would do that to fellow riders. If they would allow ship ins, that land around the area would blossom with beautiful farms and more people would get the opportunity to show at a great venue.[/QUOTE]

There is no land around the area. Spruce Meadows is butt right up against the city on at least 2 sides.

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There is no land around the area. Spruce Meadows is butt right up against the city on at least 2 sides.[/QUOTE]

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=spricemeadows&hl=en&ll=50.887875,-114.105034&spn=0.073421,0.134754&sll=42.31435,-70.970284&sspn=0.344253,0.539017&t=h&z=13

That’s a LOT of land to me.

I think that the land you are seeing is all land Spruce owns now. They ended up buying around Spruce to stop housing developments I think.

[QUOTE=Nikki^;7559316]
Wow, talk about a Monopoly. That’s terrible that they would do that to fellow riders. If they would allow ship ins, that land around the area would blossom with beautiful farms and more people would get the opportunity to show at a great venue.[/QUOTE]

Ha ha. The land around spruce already is filled with farms and is heavily developed. What appears to open land is all heavily used crop and pasture land, or about to be developed as part of the city, it’s not just vacant. There are at least a dozen nice horse farms very close and at least a dozen more if you go a bit further (which doesn’t seem far in Canada). There are no small 1-2 acre properties there, it’s just not how things are developed in that part of Canada.

I agree though, if Spruce allowed haul-ins it would change things dramatically. That is the one realy positive about the other venue, I really appreciate that they allow haul ins.

It’s a BUSINESS. If they can fill their stalls at that rate, and still be full, go for it!

I can’t afford the TBird rated shows in the summer, but can’t say enough good things about their indoor and season opener shows

Though, often times if you have classes over a few days, haul in fees are not THAT much cheaper. I checked my local venue just the other day. Stalls were 220 and haul ins were 40 so, three classes in my division, so that’s 120, or if I do a different division, it is five classes, so I’m right back up to 200 bucks, which is some difference, but then is it worth 100 (or $20) bucks to spend more money on gas and the PITA of hauling etc. I don’t know the answer. Wonder what the haul-in fee be at Spruce if they allowed it. Probably way more than $40!