stall flooring to prevent hock sores

I have various blades in my shop. It is best to use one that has at least 80+ teeth blade. There is a blade designed to cut Trex decking boards that are made out of recycled plastic. I assume they are designed to prevent gumming. Plastic melts at a pretty low temps and LOTS of repetitive cuts will be made in one “sitting” when building a deck. A gummed up blade would become a PITA. The blade can be used for wood also.

At to gumming up the blade. Well, IME this depends on the experience/confidence of the operator. It sheepish, goes slow when making the cut this will cause heat build up and tend to melt the rubber.

The best way to about it is to take a 2X4 and place under the marked cut. If there is enough lap/fold of the mat on both sides of the 2X4 the weight of each will cause the cut to expand away from the blade while cutting. This will prevent “blade binding”, excessive friction heat. The trick it to make the cut quickly also.

Yes mats can be cut with a knife. Do it the same way as above. The ease of this depends on the thickness of the mat and its composition. If only 1 mat or 2 needs to be cut might not be worth “setting up a cutting station”. Especially if one does not have blades and saw on hand. But I can tell you from experience of doing both ways. Cutting with a saw is far easier and quicker for me.

If using a saw with a blade “on hand” and gumming is a problem. Try taking the blade off and reinstall “backwards”. So the teeth kerf are in the wrong direction for cutting wood. The same that is done when cutting metal siding,

As to the cost of bedding, straw verses shavings. In my neck of the wood, hands down, straw if cheaper and IMO and experience easier, faster and leaves a cleaner stall when done correctly by someone with experience and know the tricks of the trade.

The cost of straw is area specific. The quality of the straw the same. Not all baled straw is the same. A lot of producers are using the newer more efficient rotary combines. Unless they change the “set up” and most don’t the “straw” kicked out the back can be very much on the “mulch” side of things. Instead of the nice long stemmed that pre-rotary machines kick out. 1 35 lb bale of long stemmed straw will easily expand and fill a nice fully 12X12 stall. Only about a 1/2 bale will be needed there after for a while per day. Depending on how tidy the horse is. “Mulched” straw may take 2 bales per stall.

As to cost around here I pay around $2-3 per bale in quantity. Usually right out of the field. $90 per ton if I bale it after right after being harvested by the producer. They don’t mind the lower price because it is one less time consuming job so they can turn round and plant the next more valuable crop ASAP.

The price of straw will depend on harvest weather conditions. We had a couple of very wet wheat baling years. Straw can be rained on once maybe twice with quick dry down and have little to no effect on the baled product. Other than not being bright yellow. But it can tend to get “crispy” and break down much more under the feet of horses.

But if there is prolonged rain/wet conditions for days the longer the straw lays wet the more it breaks down. Its not worth baling. Which is what happened around here. So it was just tilled into the ground when prepping the field for the next planting. Supply was very short and the price sky rocketed to $5 per bale. Hay prices!

I am in the mushroom growing capital of the country. Straw muck out is used/composted for mushroom growing soil. So they come and pick it up and pay me about $150 per truck load. But this service is not offered to small hobby operations. Takes too long for those with a small number of horses to generate a big enough “fresh” pile to fill a truck. No one will touch shavings. Have to own, rent a dumpster and pay to have shipped to a land fill.

When I compost it takes around 6± months for my muck to turn into dirt with my weather conditions.

As with all my comments over the years. It is based on my experience in my neck of the woods running a business not a hobby farm. Those of us in the business of horses and run a fairly large farm have to go about things differently than those with hobby farms. All, or just some of what I talk about may or may not apply.

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Wowza. The Equiturf stuff starts at $15/sq ft. Oh, only nearly $2200/stall. :eek:

OTTBS
Here’s my take on this:

I have always had rubber stall mats in my barn. It does’t matter how deep you bed the stalls. There are those that thrash around or walk their stalls, and get the middle bare no matter what. I have one of my own horses that I bed her stall very sparce and she never gets hock sores. For another boarder’s stall I use 4 times more shavings in her stall, and she routinely gets hock sores and I usually redo her stall again at night to put the shavings back in the middle. Doesn’t help. I have another boarder who likes to clean her own stall, and she insists on taking every single piece of bedding out that even looks dirty, and then she adds her own fluffy bedding to the stall., Plus she adds limestone to the wet spots. The horse constantly gets hock and ankle sores. So I took over her stall cleaning and am doing the deep litter method. and just taking the big piles out. No hock or ankle sores. The stall has no odor, and there is a much deeper bed of shavngs in the stall now too because I don’t take everything out every day.

I have a big run-in shed for a few horses that live outside. If I took out every bit of wet/dirty bedding every day and added new bedding,I wouldn’t be able to afford my apartment! The wet stuff packs down and I add a few shovel fulls of new bedding every night on top of what is there. Works out great. Besides, the floor is concrete and I don’t want them slipping on the wet concrete when they have their “running” episodes.

I have one horse who gives herself hock sores merely by rolling in my sand arena. I saw it happen. . .

I have these interlocking stall mats (a 12 x 12 set in a 14x14 stall) and they have never shifted, curled, or got bedding under them. Super easy to install. Worth every penny.

http://www.rammfence.com/farm-and-barn/horse-barn-flooring/smikit

And the horses haven’t been smart alecks, managing to plant their hocks right off the edge of the mat and still give themselves hock sores? That’s one worry I had. You probably went and picked up the mats yourself, being in OH? The shipping cost and the can-I-get-someone-with-forklift-to unload were both concerns.

I think I’ve decided on Stall Savers. I hope they’re enough to prevent the hock sores from the limestone.

Are you going to redo the base so it drains?

http://www.stallsavers.com/index.php/about-stall-savers/installation

“The key to getting the most out of your Ultimate Horse Stall Mat is to have good drainage.”

My lime screening stalls sure didn’t drain. The surface was pretty much impermeable. Maybe yours are different?

Well, the stalls aren’t wet now and I’m not planning to use any less bedding than I am now after installing the Stall Savers. So whatever gets soaked up now should still be soaked up, and what drains will still drain.

When the horses first moved in I couldn’t find a pee spot, so at least initially it was draining somewhat.

Will have to fill in low spots before installation for sure.

Yep I picked up the interlocking matts myself. Stacked them in the back of my Subaru and unloaded them myself. Kind of heavy, even in pieces. The Subaru was a low rider on the way home for sure. But they are really awesome, thick, never shifted at all (been in place 15 years). The foot and a 1/2 of bare concrete around the edge hasn’t bothered my horse’s hocks. However this was only 1 stall’s worth at a time (that would fit in the car). Other places besides Ramm may sell these.

Mats plus shavings. We lay the cut line over the edge of a 4x4 so the cut opens as the knife cuts it. Not really a bad job…just gotta grit your teeth and set aside a weekend. You’ll never have to do it again.

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@gypsymare What is the flooring beneath your stall savers?

My stall savers arrived, and one stall is done. Moved one horse into that stall to do his usual stall. My stall cleaner doesn’t think it’s going to drain enough, but it didn’t feel wet to me (through my boots). It’s very confusing that the installation instructions say to install over a compacted surface, do not install over loose sand etc. Seems anything compacted wouldn’t drain that well.

Of course, NOW the stall cleaner guy happens to mention that he’ll install mats for $60/stall. Grrr… Not sure whether to continue on or return most of the Stall Savers. My horses won’t be in their stalls too much, so I think I can do theirs with the Savers.

I think if you compact relatively large (marble sized?) angular rock, you’d have a solid surface that would drain.

I can understand why they don’t want you to install on something that shifts (sand) or an uncompacted surface…it will turn into hills and valleys and be miserable.

Keep us posted on how it goes! I pulled the mats in my new barn (they were all jacked up, not installed correctly at all) and have been bedding the base. It’s not a long term thing, but stall savers would be easier than getting mats back in. (Maybe cheaper, too?) But I know I can get mats in correctly so they never move or have gaps…it’s just a Job with a capital J.

Direct quote from Stall Saver website: “We recommend 4 to 6 inches of limestone or crushed stone or really any material that you can find in your area that drains.” I can’t remember how many inches of limestone make up the base of my barn, but I know the front was a big step (believe at least a foot) up from the parking lot until my excavator filled it in so it’s ramped.

I just can’t picture how larger particles can compact into a solid surface, it seems like it would be rough and could get displaced under the Stall Saver. Whereas mats are a more solid topping. I think I’ll call the company on Monday.

I have mine over crusher run. It’s packed to a flat surface but because of the fines it does not drain as quickly as I would like. I still like the price and the one piece design though. Installation was so easy.

How do you compact loose flooring base inside existing stalls? Is there some type of roller or. . . . . .?

I’ve got stall mats over concrete and one of my geldings always gets hock sores when I use the easy-pick bedding, which is unfortunate because he’s my poop-and-grinder. Regular pine shavings, his hocks are fine. Not sure what makes such a difference for him - the other three don’t have any issues with the easy pick. May be worth doing a test of your bedding and switching away from the easy pick for a short time to see if it makes a difference.

This happened to me with the circular saw. I bought it brand new from the hardware store (got the one they recommended for the job) and after 3 mats it burned up. They gave me my money back, and I finished with the carpet knife, so it didn’t end up costing me anything, but that saw was fried.

You can rent vibrating plates used to compact soil in all kinds of construction and landscape work.
Or get a hand tamper:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Razor-Back-10-in-x-10-in-Steel-Tamper-30005/100158211

They sell and also rent those at hardware stores like Home Depot.

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