Stallions Linebred to Ramzes**PICS of Mare Added

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=rodawn;7190102]
So, I did a “test-mating” requesting a duplicated line breeding to Ramzes in 3rd or 4th generation, plus Ramzes within the 5th generation. Got 198 Active Stallions from all around the world, a few in USA, but most are in Europe.

Here’s the link, have fun making your choices! From here, you can finesse your selection, but this is a good start.

FWIW, very few Stallion Owners in Europe are testing whether homo/heterozygous color of anything, let alone grey.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/dbtestmating.php?[/QUOTE]

Cool!! How did you do that?

I just signed up for this site (was using All Breed Pedigree), but I haven’t gotten the magic email so I can log on and do test breedings.

As for heter/homo thing, I can look at pedigrees. If the stallion has one non-grey parent he MUST be heterozygous for the gene and therefore will only have a 50-50 chance of throwing it. I know those genetics well.

If both parents are grey, there is a bigger chance…in which case I would have to do more looking…for example, at his get. If he has thrown nothing but greys o/o non-greys…there’s your answer!

The great thing about grey is that you often don’t need testing…just verified info on the color of the horse(s) in question because to produce a grey horse, you MUST HAVE one grey parent.

And my mare isn’t grey…

[Kyzteke]

Wow – the Sporthorse Database did let me mess with a “test mating” (although it still won’t let me enter a horse) so I took Rodawn’s search and tweaked it even more…asking for Duplicated, Sex-Balanced crosses to Ramzes in the 3rd & 4th Generation.

You know one of the stallions who kept coming up? Orame! He is actually 12.5% Ramzes and it’s sex-balanced. He’s bay, 16.3 1/2 h. Obviously can jump.

Interesting choice…I wonder what his frozen is like?

[rodawn]

Easy - for others who may also want to know - choose testmating, pick “Choose Stallion”, then choose “Special Ancestor”, Type in Ancestor’s name (Ramzes), Pick the right Ramzes (he’s sired by Rittersporn), then, this brings you to the Select A Sire To Breed By page, and you have some options to choose from. The Bloodline space has Ramzes in it already entered for you, beside it, there is a drop-down menu with a variety of choices of how you want him represented. Pick something.

Because I wanted a “double-Ramzes”, for the second bloodline, I picked Ramzes again and picked different options (sex balanced, or specifically in a damline, or specifically in a sireline, etc., etc).

Uber easy to check out line breeding options this way.

When you have your list, it always comes up with the name of the horses in alphabetical sorting. You can change the sorting, by having it sort by Stallion (sire) name by clicking on that column and it will sort the sires alphabetically so you can see a specific sire as some are more desirable than others… or alternatively you can sort by location, or by mare name, or by registry. When you want to review a pedigree of one of the horses it has listed, just click on the name. If you click the green button beside the horse’s name, you’ve selected it as part of your testmating choice.

Not every horse in the world is in this database, but the database is rather huge and growing all the time. Beware as this is a public database and sometimes there are errors which members can submit corrections to, so you do have to take it with some grains of salt.

[rodawn]

VDL Stud has been pretty good about choosing stallions on their frozen roster who have good fertility via frozen. You can ask around. Orame is a VERY interesting option for you indeed, especially being a double Cor de la Bryere, double Ramzes, and quadruple Cottage Son all within the 4th through 7th generations. I note he appears to be ridden in a rather straight forward bit, unlike some stallions who need rather impressive hardware in their mouths.

[omare]

That is a super tool-- the older stallions Carolus I and II are 25% Ramzes.
(Roller Coaster is 15%)

Sorry about Rolling Roc being gelded but I look forward to seeing him (happily) competing in the future.

[sixpoundfarm]

The horsetelex site shows that Orame was exported to the US in 2006, anyone know of his whereabouts?

[rodawn]

[QUOTE=sixpoundfarm;7190309]
The horsetelex site shows that Orame was exported to the US in 2006, anyone know of his whereabouts?[/QUOTE]

Not sure where he is or if he is still alive, but Majestic Gaits still carries his semen. http://www.majesticgaits.com/orame.htm And it is quite reasonably priced at $550 per dose. I believe he is approved KWPN, Swedish and Holstein only. Hanoverians might need special permission.

[omare]

Chris Kappler rode him for a short while-I thought perhaps he went back to Europe.

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=omare;7190265]
That is a super tool-- the older stallions Carolus I and II are 25% Ramzes.
(Roller Coaster is 15%)

Sorry about Rolling Roc being gelded but I look forward to seeing him (happily) competing in the future.[/QUOTE]

Yes, there are older stallion with a high concentration of Ramzes, but most are dead. For instance Ocean I is 25% Ramzes, but he has only one cross to him. Plus he is only available via frozen at $2000 stud fee. YIKES!!!

I noticed Orame is no longer at VDL…maybe he hasn’t been such a good producer? They don’t usually let their top stallions go…

[Kyzteke]

PICS OF MARE

Here is the link to some pics:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/99704127@N03/sets/72157635986654614/

The first 4 pics (taken from video a LONG time ago) are of Angel at age 2+yrs. The rest were taken when she was 3-4yrs old except the jumping pic…

That was taken the one time we put her through a chute…she was 2+yrs old then.

The last two were taken this last winter…she is SUCH an easy keeper; I’m embarassed she’s such a tub…but realize much of that is hair :eek:

[paulamc]

Capitano is inbred to ramzes - I think, and obviously Capitol 1 .

also Lord Sinclair has a fair bit of Ramzes as well

I find the Sporthorse data site a bit inconsistent with this stuff, often it leaves stallions out that could be included in the searches for stallions that carry a particular ancestor. and it would be far more valuable if it searched for 6 or 7 generations, not just 5

Paulamc

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=paulamc;7191381]
Capitano is inbred to ramzes - I think, and obviously Capitol 1 .

also Lord Sinclair has a fair bit of Ramzes as well

I find the Sporthorse data site a bit inconsistent with this stuff, often it leaves stallions out that could be included in the searches for stallions that carry a particular ancestor. and it would be far more valuable if it searched for 6 or 7 generations, not just 5

Paulamc[/QUOTE]

I agree.

I did the test matings using stallions I have on my “short list” and the one who produced the highest % of Ramzes was not on the list. But that is because once I checked, he wasn’t listed on “Active Stallions” and they have to be to come up on the list.

But it’s still a very useful tool and I’m having fun with it! I think you can get more from the testmatings than asking SHDB to “pick” the stallion for you…although it was a big insight to me when Orame kept coming up.

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=omare;7190529]
Chris Kappler rode him for a short while-I thought perhaps he went back to Europe.[/QUOTE]

Per conversation with Kathy, Orame was sold to Italy in 2005 and (I assume) remains there. I WISH he was in the US. But I’ve been told his frozen is outstanding. And Kathy backs most VDL semen up with a LFG breeding to one of her stallions.

So something to consider…

[Dan]

Does not meet your grey criteria, but I have always loved Calido. 3x Ramzes

He has produced many offspring that compete at a high level. The horses tend to be easy for amateurs to ride.

Dan

[mareslave]

the Olympian Orestus?

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;7191425]
Per conversation with Kathy, Orame was sold to Italy in 2005 and (I assume) remains there. I WISH he was in the US. But I’ve been told his frozen is outstanding. And Kathy backs most VDL semen up with a LFG breeding to one of her stallions.

So something to consider…[/QUOTE]

according to sporthorse-data he’s Ramzes 12.5% and nearly 17H. the foals I’ve been seeing out of Ireland are tempting my wallet…

Emco might import some doses? or Global?

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=mareslave;7196879]
according to sporthorse-data he’s Ramzes 12.5% and nearly 17H. the foals I’ve been seeing out of Ireland are tempting my wallet…

Emco might import some doses? or Global?[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm…I need to check him out.

And what do you know about Emco and/or Global? Are they frozen semen importation companies? Never heard of them…

[_Tradewind]

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;7197583]
Hmmmm…I need to check him out.

And what do you know about Emco and/or Global? Are they frozen semen importation companies? Never heard of them…[/QUOTE]

EMCO is a semen import company based in Florida; they primarily import semen of overseas eventing stallions but do have some jump/dressage stallions. I have never ordered from them but have spoken with Christine when I was thinking about it and she was very good to deal with.

http://emcostallionservices.com/

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=Tradewind;7198413]
EMCO is a semen import company based in Florida; they primarily import semen of overseas eventing stallions but do have some jump/dressage stallions. I have never ordered from them but have spoken with Christine when I was thinking about it and she was very good to deal with.

http://emcostallionservices.com/[/QUOTE]

Thanks! But I notice in this case, since Orestus is also a VDL stallion (or was before he was sold). I don’t know why they call him Irish…his whole breeding is Dutch .

Anyway, Majestic Gaits has his frozen. No idea how good it is.