Standardbred retraining

I adopted a retired STB last year with the plan of turning him into a dressage horse. He is intended to be a long-term project, as I had major surgery in September so the plan is for him to be trained in the basics and me to be able to ride him next summer.

My trainer and her working student have been working with him since last fall. He has a beautiful walk and trot, but his ongoing challenge is that, going through the corners in the arena, he wants to lock his neck up and pace.

He gets seen by the chiropractor every month, and he is on Adequan as he has some mild arthritis in his right hock. Trainer thinks he might be a little claustrophobic/unbalanced in the arena, so for the last couple of rides they have started out warming up by hacking around the farm and lanes and then going back to arena, which does seem to help.

Does anyone who has worked with these guys have any other tip/thoughts? My trainer has worked with a lot of breeds and restarted lots of OTTBs, but this is her first STB.

1 Like

I rode over 200 OTTBs before getting an OTSTB. It takes a lot more patience! The key is just getting the back up and loose. My guy took about 2 years of work (winters are light since I don’t have an indoor) to get consistent trot. He only paces when tired or really tense now, so rarely. We went from 45% to 70% in Intro B last year, first year of dressage showing. Getting him to bend/loosen his ribcage, reach down/out to the bit, and relax his whole body is key. I didn’t find cavaletti as helpful as I thought it’d be. More riding in shoulder fore/thinking shoulder fore, and just lots of softness. It takes a lot of rider balance/coordination to control my body movement to help him find his balance. No specific advice, other than little spurts of the work as it’s hard for them, lots of praise, and lots of patience. My guy now canters, left better (longer distance) than right, but it’s coming. I’m learning a ton and I love his try, but would never buy one for a short term goal. Glad you are in it for the long haul! Good luck!

6 Likes

I have an OTSTB that is working dressage and doing well. STB’s have a wonderful disposition, they may take more time to get the concept of riding rather then pacing and driving. I keep training to a short period and then just some work on a loose rein. Mine doesn’t do lunging or cavaletti’s so we don’t, I don’t think he really gets what they are about; however, he is fine just getting on and riding and doing our warmup under saddle, I also work him outside of the arena, since I only have a small one and he seems more worried when in it then just out in an open area. He is doing halfpass and turn on the haunches really well and has a lovely trot, canter is more of a challenge but he does well enough. I ride him in a happy mouth bit jointed snaffle, he takes a little warm up to accept contact and I don’t keep it for a long time, I give him breaks, lots of praise. He’s fun to ride and a wonderful horse to have. Best of luck.

5 Likes

i have a young one i’m starting in harness. BUT!! he’s so big and so handsome that i kinda want to put him under saddle and see if he can do dressage. At the very least, he will learn how to use his beautiful body better. His pace is very interesting looking, but i’ve never ridden a pace and i do wonder what it would feel like…

The first horse I fell in love with was a Standardbred gelding who was sooooooo intelligent and kind! I was not at an age to retrain him and he wasn’t mine, but I adored him. They are such wonderful horses and I’m so glad you are giving this one a chance. I’ve retrained alot of OTTBs and I’ve found trail riding and hacking around on soft contact is the best way to get relaxation. Do the same in the arena - don’t make a big deal of it, just accept what he has to offer and he will eventually relax and get it. Having a ā€œconnectionā€ mentally with him will help as you progress. God bless and good luck!

3 Likes

You probably are not going to ā€œlikeā€ what I have to say here… but perhaps it needs to be said.
Off the track SBs are not the best breed to purchase with the idea that you are going to make them into a dressage horse. Standardbreds, off the track or not, have many attributes that can be useful in many other disciplines and jobs for horses, it’s just that ā€œdressageā€ isn’t really one of those things. Not to say that the basic training involved in basic dressage isn’t something that you can work on with your horse, it’s just that he has been selectively BRED to do things differently, and THAT is always going to be an issue for him. A problem for him and for you.

If you are looking for a competitive endurance long distance trail horse, they can be great for that. If you are looking for just a pleasure riding trail horse, or pack horse, they can be great for that. But the selective breeding in their family tree has attempted to ā€œbreed the canter out of themā€, and breed the pace into them, so it will often be there, somewhere, should he get into a situation where he is stressed. As a competitive dressage horse, this will eliminate him from success. In many other disciplines, it may not.
I’m also going to go out on a limb here, and say that they are not well suited for jumping pursuits, although a few do jump to some extent. It’s not the JUMP itself that is the problem, it is the lack of a quality canter (again, because it has been purposely bred OUT of the breed) that is the issue. When the pressure goes on, in a one stride combination that is bigger than 3’ or 3’6", it is imperative that that one canter stride is a ā€œqualityā€ stride, to be able to jump out safely. It may be adequate 9 times out of 10, and jump out OK. But 1 time out of 10, you won’t, and it will be BAD.

If you wish to do a certain job with your horse, like ā€œdressageā€, choose a horse who is likely to have the skill set to be successful. If you love a standardbred, and want to ride him and give him a life after racing, choose a discipline where his background is going to help him be successful. Which doesn’t mean that you can’t or shouldn’t work on basic dressage principles to achieve these goals, because obviously, you should, just to make him be the best horse he can be for you. But don’t dream that he is going to be a dressage horse, because he probably isn’t.

Most SBs can canter, IF they are relaxed and responsive to your leg. But they will lose balance on turns easier than horses with a good natural canter will. If they become tense, they will lose balance at the canter. Because they are uncomfortable at this gait, it isn’t their forte. They will slip into a pace and lose the canter, should anything interrupt their concentration.

For many disciplines OTHER than competitive dressage or jumping events, a pace is fine and functional. You can ride him at the pace, it isn’t overly comfortable to sit on, but you can sit or post like at the trot. I had a SB as a lead pony at the racetrack for several years- he was fine at this job. He had raced for a LONG time, had been passed between a great many trainers and owners over his long racing career, and was well known across Western Canada. His pace was so deeply ingrained, that he had raced ā€œfree leggedā€, he did not wear hopples to train or to race, I heard. If you are a SB affectionado, his registered name was ā€œShadow’s Adiosā€. He was a blocky bodied bright chestnut, with a blaze… an oddity among SBs. And he paced most of the time during his time at the TB racetrack. He paced as the TB galloped beside him. He was a character. His suspensories had stopped his race career, and they were something I always kept an eye on, but he never went lame on them when I had him. They are VERY tough horses. I gave him away as a recreational trail riding horse when I got tired of being jarred with his pacing gait. He had been given to me, so I gave him to another owner who I felt was better suited to him as he aged. But no one ever tried to make him into a dressage horse.

13 Likes

i got my guy when he was a yearling. He was collected in a humane roundup off a stripmine in E.Kentucky. I only say he’s a Standardbred because he looks like it, and he paces. Ugliest colt i’ve ever seen, but i had a mindseye vision he would be a beautiful horse. Bloodbay, no white anywhere. Domey forehead. I ground trained him for basic obedient skillset and tossed him out in the giant pasture to grow up with the herd. At 2 1/2 i bitted, surcingled and started ground driving him. Retraced my steps again at 3 1/2. Now, age four, he’s ready for some real training. I just retrofitted my bigwheel cart and put new wheels on my farm cart. He is going in a singletree and pulling a tire right now. Soon, i’ll put on the ā€˜nice’ leather harness and hitch him (yikes!). He’s rock solid in temperament. And just about the human friendliest equine i’ve ever had! I was not going to saddle train him because he is a natural pacer and i just didn’t think i’d want to ride that. He has a great canter though…and a gallop with significant speed. He’s handy going up and down our hills at canter/gallops when the herd gets it in their mind to have a good frolic. I actually didn’t know he had a trot until about a year ago, and he alternates between a decent trot and a pace. He begins with a pace usually, but sometimes starts up a trot instead. I’ve thought that his 3 yr association with a herd (of 9) trottig horses and mules has been responsible for his trots and canter. He is my farrier’s favorite horse. He might be mine too. I call him my little-red-puppy (but he’s 16h). Nice big hooves but slightly toes out in front. But the important parts that i’ll see as his driver are just a great full tail, Beautiful back legs and that hiney of his…it’s just so perfect. I got him because my driving horse (Morgan mare) had to be put down and i had all this equipment and no horse to use it. I saw this little pacer and my choice was to harness that natural gait rather than attempt to change him. Had i wanted a dressage horse, i think i’d have been looking for a non-pacer, and certain other attributes that would be a good fit for the discipline. BUT>>>>>hey! Your horse and for-sure your dream! Go for it! I imagine you will succeed if you have enough will. It will be a challenge and a learning experience and isn’t that what it’s all about anyway?

4 Likes

Without seeing video I would say he is feeling off balance in the corners and is compensating by switching back to his ā€œsafeā€ gait.

Does he round pen/lunge at the trot well? If not he may need short sessions to help him learn how to carry himself on a curve. I’m not a lunger but this is one of the times I will do it.

If he is fine without a rider then it is the addition of the rider that is making him uneasy. Are you using enough leg and outside rein? You will be surprised how much it can take with an OT horse.

Add trot poles to the corner. He will have to think about leg placement and it can help him understand while you are working on balance.

Lastly I start all my OTSTB with spirals. I spiral in slightly until the horse is at his minimum comfort level for the gait I’m in then spiral out. It’s a good way to build balance and confidence.

Of course do not overdo any circle work because it can be hard on the joints!

3 Likes

It’s more useful to ask a group of Standardbred lovers than a group of dressage lovers who will inevitably say ā€œget a different breedā€.

There are fb groups for Standardbred lovers where you can get more individualised advice - if there are none in USA then try joining one from NZ or Australia. Both NZ and Australia have ridden breed classes for Standardbreds which require the equivalent of low level dressage training, so there will be a lot of people who have been through the retraining process. There are also retrainers’ pages, some sponsored by harness racing associations and some independent, and some of these have useful videos.

14 Likes

I know nothing about retraining an STB. Just came to say that I work in the casino side of an STB track and every morning I walk in from the employee lot while they jog. Inevitably there is at least one that makes me stop and stare as it trots past and think ā€œEat your heart out, Charlotte Dā€.

15 Likes

There is literally nothing wrong about having an off-track STB for your low level dressage goals. Dressage is not breed specific. Some people have to work with the horse they have, and OP happens to have an STB.

I have an STB and if he didn’t have the brand, you might never know – and trotting down the center line, he has just as nice a trot as any other sport bred horse. The best thing about him is his brain… He always wants to work with you and will try his best to figure it out. I wish my WB had his brain!! My TB is pretty close but the STB’s brain is just something else.

My advice is to take it slow. For my guy, he is more likely to pace if he is TENSE. It may be your trainer/WS needs to take a step back, and possibly try trotting outdoors instead of in the ring.

And if he is frequently pacing around the corners, make it a transition exercise: go back to a walk a few steps before M, walk the short side, and pick up a trot at H… trot down the long side, rinse/repeat. Consider throwing in some diagonals too.

For my gelding, he didn’t see an indoor for the first year we had him. I took him out on trails and worked on his trot and canter up a long hill. If there’s something similar in your area or around the barn, it is worth investigating.

Part of retraining a pacing STB is that they were trained to pace over trot. It’s your and my job to train that out of them.

15 Likes

I’m not an expert since I haven’t cantered my boy yet (more me being the issue than him, it’sbeen a couple years since I’ve ridden regularly), but my daughter has. Between her advice and reading some of the STB groups on Facebook, the best thing to do is lots of suppling exercises in your ring, and work on your canter in a larger area where you can go in a long straight line. My daughter used the half mile track where she was. Another suggestion I’ve read, is to go up a hill and push them forward. Once you get them comfortable on a straight line, it gets easier on a smaller area. I do know my boy has a lovely canter (not pacey at all), I’ve seen him do it in turnout often, so I know it’s just a matter of working on getting my balance back and his!

ETA we must see pictures, so here’s a picture of my moose.

received_905604036638486|666x500

5 Likes

Corners of a dressage court or a large arena? If it is in a dressage court, I’d get him out until he is more balanced. Once back in a dressage arena I’d ride the short sides like half 20 meter circles () rather than []. Tension is tough because if you get tension in the same spot it is easy to develop anticipation. Doing a balanced walk transition before the corners is another way to set him up for success. Quality transitions also build strength and balance so eventually you can half halt to rebalance and then have an increased likelihood of getting that quality trot through the short sides.

4 Likes

This. :heart: :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: :heart:

4 Likes

Thank you all for the comments! It does sound like we are on the right track with him, he is showing improvement in most things. His canter was his worst gait, but that is getting better too as he is beginning to step under with that inside hind leg.

I bought a book on retraining the STB, which we have shared and read, and also have watched videos from an Australian STB trainer, but there are some good helpful tips in this thread too.

He raced on the pace but never paces at liberty when he is turned out–always trots and canters–which is a big reason I chose him. He has excellent ground manners, great feet, and is pretty unflappable. Student was getting on him and a dead tree crashed over in the woods next to the arena, he never flicked an ear.

That steady eddy attitude is a huge plus, as I am not a spring chicken (lol). He doesn’t have to be an FEI horse as I’m not an FEI rider.

Edit:tried to add a pic but it won’t load :frowning:

11 Likes

I would love to see a picture once COTH behaves!! Isn’t that brain something else? STBs are one of the horse world’s best kept secret… They have great feet, they are sound, and they have rock solid temperaments and are such people pleasers. I’m so glad to hear your boy is as well. There is another person on this forum that has an STB that she shows in H/J - @myguyom - her STB is a dream.

I thought of one thing I forgot to mention, if it helps. I’ve found with the trot around corners, the more contact you are holding the more likely they are to pace - related to tension and also, I think conflicting aids with their past job. I had this issue with Hank too. He seems to do better with more leg, less contact until the trot rhythm is established.

I will concede at least where Hank is concerned, his only flaw is his canter is probably a 5 or a 6 out of 10. I can’t see him doing anything beyond 2nd level because of it. It is not naturally fluid, but it is a 3 beat and he can canter all day. Most STBs can - it’s the rider or the past training (like trotters/pacers, where cantering is expressly prohibited). Most STBs I have known will canter and trot freely in the paddock, regardless if they are pacers or trotters.

3 Likes

No advice but good luck. I used to massage STBs at the track and they are wonderful. Solid minds and bodies and most not too big to be intimidating. Some have nicer heads than others but those jugheads grow on you.

Did you have a hard time finding a saddle to fit?

2 Likes

Not at all–our saddle fitter said he had a really nice back. He has moderate withers and 17 1/2" back, a K + M with a wide bar fits him, and he gets checked by the fitter every 6 months.

7 Likes

Your image wouldn’t load for me.

ETA. I take that back, there it is! Handsome fellow!

2 Likes