“I doubt the injury he sustained played a very big part in the loss.”
How would you know unless you were the horse?
Thanks Drv. I would imagine it would be getting a lot more attention if in fact rules were changed at some point like she said but as she does have a history at the track I thought maybe she had some knowledge that I didn’t.
Long time race trackers, what are your thoughts in performance enhancing drugs that horses in the '40’s and '70’s may have been able to use that horses now can’t because of advanced testing procedures? I don’t have a track background so am curious as to what someone who worked at the track in the '70’s might have seen versus today…
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I don’t know-could it have made a difference of a few lengths? He didn’t lose by much-I keep thinking about what could have been had he not been stepped on coming out of the gate. Wasn’t meant to be I guess.
I think we are going to see related things in other sports. Will be ever see someone win the Tour de France multiple times like Lance did? Well, maybe a few times, but not 7. With so many pro cyclists having been outed, or having confessed, and WADA getting stricter, having more advanced testing procedures, I think it is going to be much harder to use performance enhancing substances.
You’ll either have to be in a class above all others to do it consistently, or have a lot of luck every single time.
I just listened to Coburn’s interview remarks, and I have to say – I think he just stood up and said “The Emperor Has No Clothes.” And now everybody is aghast because here someone had the temerity to say it out loud – Wanna know why you haven’t had a Triple Crown in 36 years? Wanna know why the racing industry just took your money and made a media event out of nothing? Before you spend your $$ wagering on a TC contender, buy tix to the track or travel to NYC to watch the Belmont – at least know it’s shell game!
It’s high time racing quit protecting their little fiefdom and play a fair game. They may look down on all the rest of us as not “understanding the industry,” but they are dang quick to take our money.
Everyone who places a wager on the contender should know that their horse has raced his guts out (as Coburn said) and is going against fresh legs and fresh lungs. If we all kept our money in our pockets, then something might change.
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I just listened to Coburn’s interview remarks, and I have to say – I think he just stood up and said “The Emperor Has No Clothes.” And now everybody is aghast because here someone had the temerity to say it out loud – Wanna know why you haven’t had a Triple Crown in 36 years? Wanna know why the racing industry just took your money and made a media event out of nothing? Before you spend your $$ wagering on a TC contender, buy tix to the track or travel to NYC to watch the Belmont – at least know it’s shell game!
It’s high time racing quit protecting their little fiefdom and play a fair game. They may look down on all the rest of us as not “understanding the industry,” but they are dang quick to take our money.
Everyone who places a wager on the contender should know that their horse has raced his guts out (as Coburn said) and is going against fresh legs and fresh lungs. If we all kept our money in our pockets, then something might change.[/QUOTE]
If information that basic and that readily available comes as a surprise to you, you probably shouldn’t be wagering on horse races.
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If information that basic and that readily available comes as a surprise to you, you probably shouldn’t be wagering on horse races.[/QUOTE]
No kidding!
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I just listened to Coburn’s interview remarks, and I have to say – I think he just stood up and said “The Emperor Has No Clothes.” And now everybody is aghast because here someone had the temerity to say it out loud – Wanna know why you haven’t had a Triple Crown in 36 years? Wanna know why the racing industry just took your money and made a media event out of nothing? Before you spend your $$ wagering on a TC contender, buy tix to the track or travel to NYC to watch the Belmont – at least know it’s shell game!
It’s high time racing quit protecting their little fiefdom and play a fair game. They may look down on all the rest of us as not “understanding the industry,” but they are dang quick to take our money.
Everyone who places a wager on the contender should know that their horse has raced his guts out (as Coburn said) and is going against fresh legs and fresh lungs. If we all kept our money in our pockets, then something might change.[/QUOTE]
If he had said it in a calm and rational manner, without referring to the other owners and trainers as “cowards” (and without telling his wife to “shut up” - on nationwide television, yet), I might have more respect for him. As it was, he came off as a classless jerk.
He whined about the “hospitality” at Churchill Downs. He whined about the nasal strip thing in New York, so they agreed to allow it. Now his horse was injured coming out of the gate, ran a gutsy race in spite of it, and instead of being glad CC is okay, he went into a full fledged rant about “the system” and the other owners and trainers.
Hey buddy - you knew you were going to face fresh horses in the Belmont. Deal with it like an adult instead of a 4 year toddler having a tantrum.
The sport of kings has become the sport of boors.
I guess it just goes to show how easy it is to be a good sport when you’re winning. In horses or humans, “class will tell.”
I wonder if there is a video of post race comments. I saw it on TV, but would like to see it again.
The current situation for the three races, as regards qualifying and fresh horses, is what makes the Triple Crown so very hard to win. You really do need a super horse/trainer/jockey. With the improvements in track conditions, travel time, and training techniques there should have been over 36 years, why does the feat appear to be harder ?
I agree his act was wearing thin, but let’s not accuse him of things he didn’t say.
Art Sherman was the one to make an off-hand comment about the possibility that the owners might not run CC if NYRA didn’t allow the nasal strip, not Coburn, and the press was off and running with it. And the trainers have said that it was Perry Martin’s idea to use it.
As for his Churchill comments - yes, ill-timed, but he was complaining about the treatment of Martin and his wheelchair bound mother, not himself. His complaints followed similar complaints made by others.
Comments being made in earlier posts such as “he should go back in his hole” are as boorish as some of the things he has said and are being made without the emotions triggered by owning that horse. The media loved sticking their mikes in his face and NYRA is crowing about the huge take at the betting windows.
What a buffoon! He equates California Chrome to a kid in a wheelchair? I hope so many people call him to tell him he is an idiot that he has to get a new phone number.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/videos/13303/belmont-stakes-steve-coburn-does-not-apologize
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If information that basic and that readily available comes as a surprise to you, you probably shouldn’t be wagering on horse races.[/QUOTE]
I agree – but both the racing industry and the media hype this up so much that people who otherwise know nothing about the game are wagering. And that is no accident. It’s a purposeful media / publicity stunt designed to make a LOT of money – and if it’s at the expense of poor saps who don’t know it’s a shell game, well – all the better, actually.
And as for making his comments with a cool head, perhaps if Coburn had waited a bit longer, he might have been able to. I can’t fault him for being passionate.
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http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/videos/13303/belmont-stakes-steve-coburn-does-not-apologize[/QUOTE]
He truly puts the “dumbass” in Dumbass Partners. Man, SHUT UP already.
If we’re going to blame anybody, let’s put at least a large part of the blame on the media. They’re the ones who have turned this into a 5+ week circus event. Sure there has probably always been some element of pressure involved in going through all three races, but it seems that the constant hammering away by the media has increased with each season. The horse isn’t the only one that’s subjected to the pressure–add in the trainer and the owners, and it doesn’t stop for one second until the whole thing is over.
No, the outburst by Coburn wasn’t in the best taste, but neither were J. Beibers’s recent remarks, or add in any other number of “celebrities of the moment.”
A good try, and Chrome enters an august group of 13 who gave it all they had and failed the third time around.
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He truly puts the “dumbass” in Dumbass Partners. Man, SHUT UP already.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly! He needs a tongue tie and a really tight figure 8! Maybe a shot of dormosedan and to be gelded as well. Emily Post he is not.
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My thoughts exactly! He needs a tongue tie and a really tight figure 8! Maybe a shot of dormosedan and to be gelded as well. Emily Post he is not.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, as classless and uncalled for as I thought his comments yesterday were, I was trying to understand them just a little given how incredibly disappointed he must’ve been after the loss.
But sticking by his comments the next morning AND throwing in the remark about a kid in a wheelchair? Nope, you’re a sour-grape-sucking ass.
He’s probably pissed he turned down the millions to sell CC before the Belmont.
I would hate to see a change in the Triple Crown. Change it as has been suggested to the “you have to run all three races” to win concept, and you’ve just sucked the very heart of it out. Might just as well draw a line at the last TC winner and call it a day.
The truly special horses don’t come along that often. When they do, you know it. I’m old enough to remember Secretariat winning the Belmont by 30 lengths. Still gives me goose bumps.
CC is a very nice horse but he just wasn’t up to the challenge yesterday. He joins 23 other horses who won the first two races but came up short on the third. If you look at the names he’s in some pretty damned fine company. I’ll admit to not being a big race fan but I don’t recall the owners of those other horses whining and acting the fool after their horses didn’t win.
I hope people remember the horse as a class act, because his owner sure enough isn’t.
