Stifle injury or shivers?

Background: 15 year old TB gelding, eventing Training level. Has had a light schedule since the end of our season in November. A couple of weeks ago, I came down to the barn to find his left front stocked up. Walking/cold hosing/wrapping/bute helped the swelling go down. [IMO this is all unrelated to the issue he has now, but just for a back story.] I noticed when I was picking out his hind feet, he was reluctant to pick up his LH (he has shivers, so this isn’t totally abnormal for him, but his LH is his “better” leg when it comes to shivers), and when he did, he had a hard time flexing his leg upwards. When I was walking him under saddle, he felt short on the LH as well, but it got better the more we walked. He was definitely uneven behind at the trot.

The vet had me put him on daily Equioxx and rest for a week or so. His LF went back to normal (likely related to a scrape he kept re-opening on the front of his fetlock), and he was sound when I rode him last weekend. He was slightly better about picking up his LH, although still “stiff” about it. At that point, I took him off the Equioxx. This past week we’ve had sub-freezing temperatures, so the footing in our ring was frozen, which meant no riding.

Came down yesterday to ride, and I noticed he was having a hard time pivoting on his hind end when I turned him around to to close the gate to his paddock. When I went to pick out his LH, he refused to lift his foot, and when he finally did, it went way up and out to the side, which unbalanced him and made him nearly tip over. (Again, he has shivers, but this degree of reaction is abnormal.)

When he was standing in the crossties, he tends to rest his LH on his toe. On the lunge he’s tracking up fine with his RH, but falling at least two hooves short on the LH. He’s relatively normal at the walk.

Unfortunately for me, I leave tomorrow for a week for Christmas holiday, so the vet won’t be able to see him until I return next week. I spoke with the vet at length and he’s suspecting either his shivers have gotten acutely worse, possibly a hind suspensory, or other injury. (I’m wondering if he injured his stifle or has a pinched sciatic nerve.) In the meantime, he’s back on the Equioxx until I can have the vet look at him.

I’ve known this horse for about 10 years, and his shivers have stayed pretty much the same in terms of acuity. I’m wondering what could possibly be going on here… and hoping to dog it’s not a suspensory!

I know this is a YMMV type of question, but has anyone had this sort of thing happen with their shivers horse? The vet speculates that if it is his shivers getting worse, the muscles have been spasming, which is why the Equioxx helped. However, I’m still wondering if he slipped in the paddock and injured his stifle (although there’s no obvious swelling or heat anywhere along his stifle/leg) or SI.

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Background: 15 year old TB gelding, eventing Training level. Has had a light schedule since the end of our season in November. A couple of weeks ago, I came down to the barn to find his left front stocked up. Walking/cold hosing/wrapping/bute helped the swelling go down. [IMO this is all unrelated to the issue he has now, but just for a back story.] I noticed when I was picking out his hind feet, he was reluctant to pick up his LH (he has shivers, so this isn’t totally abnormal for him, but his LH is his “better” leg when it comes to shivers), and when he did, he had a hard time flexing his leg upwards. When I was walking him under saddle, he felt short on the LH as well, but it got better the more we walked. He was definitely uneven behind at the trot.

The vet had me put him on daily Equioxx and rest for a week or so. His LF went back to normal (likely related to a scrape he kept re-opening on the front of his fetlock), and he was sound when I rode him last weekend. He was slightly better about picking up his LH, although still “stiff” about it. At that point, I took him off the Equioxx. This past week we’ve had sub-freezing temperatures, so the footing in our ring was frozen, which meant no riding.

Came down yesterday to ride, and I noticed he was having a hard time pivoting on his hind end when I turned him around to to close the gate to his paddock. When I went to pick out his LH, he refused to lift his foot, and when he finally did, it went way up and out to the side, which unbalanced him and made him nearly tip over. (Again, he has shivers, but this degree of reaction is abnormal.)

When he was standing in the crossties, he tends to rest his LH on his toe. On the lunge he’s tracking up fine with his RH, but falling at least two hooves short on the LH. He’s relatively normal at the walk.

Unfortunately for me, I leave tomorrow for a week for Christmas holiday, so the vet won’t be able to see him until I return next week. I spoke with the vet at length and he’s suspecting either his shivers have gotten acutely worse, possibly a hind suspensory, or other injury. (I’m wondering if he injured his stifle or has a pinched sciatic nerve.) In the meantime, he’s back on the Equioxx until I can have the vet look at him.

I’ve known this horse for about 10 years, and his shivers have stayed pretty much the same in terms of acuity. I’m wondering what could possibly be going on here… and hoping to dog it’s not a suspensory!

I know this is a YMMV type of question, but has anyone had this sort of thing happen with their shivers horse? The vet speculates that if it is his shivers getting worse, the muscles have been spasming, which is why the Equioxx helped. However, I’m still wondering if he slipped in the paddock and injured his stifle (although there’s no obvious swelling or heat anywhere along his stifle/leg) or SI.[/QUOTE]

When his leg went up and out to the side was it really fast? My gelding has developed delayed patella release in his RH (LH has other problems). One the first signs was a resistance to having his foot picked out (didn’t want to lift it) and then when he did lift it, it would jerk up like I’d shocked him. But his didn’t go out to the side, just up. It wasn’t until a couple of weeks later when I saw it happen at a walk that I started to realize what was going on (and even then I had to watch a bunch of YouTube videos :slight_smile: ).

Well, dang, this is just going to be elusive, I think. Because, yes, he could have injured his stifle, or many point within a meter of it, and it could be more than one thing, too. I think he’s in a good position to have such an observant handler that you’re picking up the diff in how each hind foot tracks up, and the pivoting problem. Nutritionally, if he’s not getting green grass access, Vit E supplementation may be beneficial to shivers, and this is coming from someone who does not readily reach for supplements.

My horse has a whopping case of shivers, and has had it for 7 years, Still, it has never affected how he goes in terms of walk, trot, cater, jump. It causes no lameness in his work. He just cannot pick up and hold up that foot. My money is NOT on shivers, as your issue here.

Agree with the above. If shortness / lameness is showing up on the lunge it does not sound shivers related

OP, there is a young lady in my barn (Lorton) whose horse has shivers. If you want, I can put you two in touch. She has been managing his shivers for several years and might have some insights.

My shivers horse is dramatically worse when one or both of his hind feet are sore from the frozen ground. So that might be something to check.

His shivers symptoms are also exaggerated if he hasn’t been moving around much because of another injury.

I hope your guy is better soon.

my shivers guy is worse when the ground is hard/frozen or he just hasn’t been moving around much. And if he doesn’t get his vit E (10k IU/day) I can tell within a couple of days.

Thanks guys. I have a gut feeling that it’s something else, because with his shivers he at least picks up his legs (mostly) willingly. The left hind would basically go up a couple inches and then immediately out to the side when I was able to convince him to hold it up. At one point I put him in his stall so he could lean against the wall (trick I’ve used in the past for putting in studs), and he still had trouble.

I hate being away from him and not knowing if having him turned out is making things worse. The barn he’s at is basically a co-op, so there’s no way of doing stall rest or small paddock turnout when I’m 3000 miles away. Even worse was going down to the barn 2 hrs before I had to leave for the airport and finding a fresh scrape on the inside of his left hind and some nice swelling to go along with it!! :frowning: So now I just keep on runing through worst case scenarios in my mind: pelvic fracture, hind suspensory, something broken, etc. :cry: