I’m going hound schooling with my young horse tomorrow for the first time and have not even hunted in a couple of years. Are there any threads here on how to tie a stock tie, I forgot how.
TIA
I googled Tying a stock tie and came up with this sight to help you out…
www.saddleshop.com/extras/stocktie.htm
I know I’ve seen a couple of these sites, usually tack shops, with great instruction.
Do they require stock ties for hound walks? We are way more casual!
Have fun:yes:
I used this site the other day for my practice attempts:
http://www.horsecountrylife.com/catalog/huntingstock.html
I found it helps to turn your back to the instructions and look over your shoulder, so you are facing the same way as the “person” in the diagram.
Spooky, go over to the Hunter forum. I just posted this question a few days ago because kidlet is doing an “A” hunter classic this weekend and I was able to borrow a shad for her and had no idea what to do with the stock tie.
There is a great link posted with a diagram that even I could follow. The big question ended up being how to pin it and as you can see there are a few different ways.
My thread is on pg. 2 or 3 by now - I think.
Good luck.
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I googled Tying a stock tie and came up with this sight to help you out…
www.saddleshop.com/extras/stocktie.htm
I know I’ve seen a couple of these sites, usually tack shops, with great instruction.
Do they require stock ties for hound walks? We are way more casual!
Have fun:yes:[/QUOTE]
I feel retarded - steps 3-4 don’t make sense to me…what am I missing? I don’t understand what the “b” side is doing to get from step 3 to step 4. 
I never could get from step 3 to 4 using those sadddleshop instructions either! It drove me crazy!!! (short trip I know)
The instructions above from HorseCountrylife.com are much much better.
Thanks!!! I’m glad I’m not the only that couldn’t do it with those instructions. Those were the only one posted when I left for the day and was going the next morning. Actually It was quite comical, me trying to tie the tie, getting po’d and b***ching at the MOH because it was only a hound schooling and why the heck did I have to were the foolish thing. Luckily there was someone there to tie it for me. But on the bright side, it was my 4 year old’s first hunt (actually 1st anything besides being at the track, never made it to the races but…) and he was a ROCK STAR!! Never made a bad move, oh forgot to mention after we got there the MOH informed me that they were not schooling but doing a short hunt. So I was even more impressed with him!! As were the others!
I posted a video on this recently on my blog. I always have three thumbs when it comes to tying a stock tie!
http://equineink.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/psa-for-foxhunters-how-to-tie-a-stock-tie/
Wow, that video is annoying. The camera cuts away between “step 3” and “step 4” and the position of the tie is moved in that interval. It’s step 4 that causes all the confusion!
Try this site: http://www.texeresilk.com/cms-square_knot.html
It’s actually a scarf-tying site, but it’s the only instruction for tying a square knot I’ve ever been able to follow!
ETA: I read somewhere that it helps to turn your back to the computer so it puts you in the same position as the drawing. Then just glance back over your shoulder to look at the pic. Crazy, but it seemed to help me!
git R done!
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You guys really bust me up!!
You’re good enough riders (as in coordinated enough!) to foxhunt over challenging terrain on a huge animal with his own physicality yet you can’t tie a stock tie!!! :winkgrin::rolleyes::uhoh:
I liked the “retard” comment! Its’ actually a common form of dyslexia except it’s with your brain to arms functions. The cure for this is a stirrup cup or hit off a properly filled flask. THEN you’d really be able to TIE ONE ON!!! :lol::lol::lol: oh my, now I’m busting myself up!
Or is it REALLY a sadistic test to see if you’ve got the right stuff to be able to foxhunt?..hmmmm…
An initiation right!!! Yea, that’s what it is!! Some of us do it at home in front of a mirror so others won’t witness it. It’d be too horrible a sight for little children to see. Get up 1 hour earlier to git R done! Ya gotta plan for these things!!
Oh…and no way is anyone going over to the “Hunter” Forum for help! How embarassing! Ya’ll are staying right here and entertaining me!! I can’t believe she even suggested that! Doesn’t she know know we’re all hunting snobs and we don’t associate with those H/J board people???
To Fluff It Out or Not?
So do your hunts fancy a rather flat stock tie or like it to puff it out a little? I once overheard someone commenting on a fluffy one with distain, but I rather like a little bit of it. Some people tie it once, not really in a square knot and like it very flat.
I model mine on John Singer Sargent’s “Devil Englishman” portrait.
btw, I’ve never understood the deal with not being able to tie a square knot and fold the ends over and pin…?
Well, if you’ll see my thread “Stock Tie Woes”, the directions on the web (which I amplify and explain) all create the flat stock. It’s not possible to get a puffy tie from these instructions.
And I still maintain it isn’t in any way shape or form a square knot! I’m speaking of all the instructions you find on the web.
If you try to do a square knot, after right over left, under and thru. You wind up with the two halves of the ties lying on top of each other. Which is now the “left”?
Also, can you point us to a copy of “Devil Englishman” on the web?
Okay, I’ve been experimenting with the square knot method. I can get a decent looking knot that way but NOT as nice-looking as the method illustrated on all the web-sites that have instructions.
Also, you can’t just go right-over-left-under-and-thru followed by left-over-right-under-and-thru. You must additionally take the piece that you’ve directed up and thru and bring it down and then go thru the loop formed in the front by the other piece hanging down vertically and the piece going horizontally across it.
ok
Ok. right over left. Bring the original right end under and up through. At this point adjust the tie so the piece of the tie on the top sort of waterfalls over the other half, and they are laying /lying directly over your shirt buttons like a regular tie would. Depending on how “fluffy” you want it, you may, or may not, push the piece on top up a bit, before making your next crossover. You pull the bottom piece toward your right shoulder, taking the top piece across, wrap underneath and up, then feed the end thru the loop(the square part of the knot) and pull it to the left, gently, again, depending how tight or fluffy you want your stock. Then, (and you’ll have to practice the first bit a few times, until you get the hang of it) you take the ends and cross them, keeping in mind that as you make the cross, you will have "flipped the ends over up by the knot, then cross them and pin them. If the tie has a handy little slit in the back, you’re all set to begin with. If not, start at the front, then cross in the back first then start to tie as above. It is not difficult, it does require a bit of practice the first couple of times. It is easier to get it right with a longer stock to start with. If it’s really long, pin the ends on either side of your shirt after you are finished, with small safety pins. If you cannot tie a presentable tie after practicing for 15 or 20 minutes, for the love of Mike, don’t use your phone and drive at the same time.
I think those of us who have trouble with the square knot method go wrong is that we’re thinking the 2nd knot (or 2nd loop, whatever you want to call it), should be pulled tight like a man’s tie. That creates something horrible looking that looks nothing like the knots shown in diagrams. I have found by leaving this 2nd knot very loose, I can get something that looks right.
I was joking about John Singer Sargent’s “Lord Ribblesdale.” His is like a big bow for a little girl. Still love the portrait though.
http://nga.gov.au/Exhibition/Edwardians/Detail.cfm?IRN=126771&ViewID=2
2ndyrgal doesn’t seem to be monitoring this thread. Would anyone care to take a stab at what she is saying to do after the the square knot is formed and you have the two ends hanging straight down, one in front of the other?
Sorry I went to Jump Start today
Ok, you now have a square knot. Take a hold of each protruding end about an inch out from the square knot, (stick your thumbs up underneath and hold each side between your thumb and forefinger,as you flip it so your thumb ends up on top (kind of like if you had a book laying on your chest with the spine going down your shirt buttons and you were turning the pages left to right, from the bottom) cross the left one over across your shirt buttons (should end up just below your collar bone but above your boob)then cross the right one over your left. Then pin it. I tied several stock ties today for folks.
Hmm, would another way of saying what you’re doing (because I’m not sure I understood you) is to take the end of one piece with the opposite hand and lift it up so that the back side now becomes the front side; and as you lift, bring it across you chest; grasp at the top and let the end drop, then repeat for the other side; then pin?
